[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They never physically searched for her either which is odd, really odd. Any parent who's ever "lost" a child the first thing they do is frantically search

That too. icr much but how long did they stay in Portugal?

I did think it was nonsense that they could be responsible but looking back how they acted made me think different. They must have been a reason why they left their kids alone in a hotel full of strangers their looks etc.

I do wish a reliable lie detector test that can be used! but ofc the police won't make them do it if they were one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

That too. icr much but how long did they stay in Portugal?

I did think it was nonsense that they could be responsible but looking back how they acted made me think different. They must have been a reason why they left their kids alone in a hotel full of strangers their looks etc.

I do wish a reliable lie detector test that can be used! but ofc the police won't make them do it if they were one.

They can't force people to take lie detector tests but this video is really good if you get time to watch it. This guy Peter Hyatt is a Statement Analyst, he trains law enforcement etc, he's very interesting but he analysed an interview with the McCanns

Youtube video

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They can't force people to take lie detector tests but this video is really good if you get time to watch it. This guy Peter Hyatt is a Statement Analyst, he trains law enforcement etc, he's very interesting but he analysed an interview with the McCanns

Youtube video

Not a fan of his, he's got some very dodgy bedfellows !!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Not a fan of his, he's got some very dodgy bedfellows !!

Peter Hyatt? The video is good though

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Peter Hyatt? The video is good though

Thats not Peter Hyatt .... Its doing my head in who it is, but its not Hyatt

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Peter Hyatt? The video is good though

Its Richard D Hall .....hes lost a lot of credibility by who he's got in tow now

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its Richard D Hall .....hes lost a lot of credibility by who he's got in tow now

The video is Richard D hall and Peter Hyatt, i was asking which of them you didn't like anymore? Richard D Hall did seem a bit strange but I think Peter Hyatt is really good, I've read other stuff of his as well. Its Richard d hall interviewing Peter Hyatt and Peter Hyatt doing the analysis

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Thats not Peter Hyatt .... Its doing my head in who it is, but its not Hyatt

yes it is

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by LukeB

That too. icr much but how long did they stay in Portugal?

I did think it was nonsense that they could be responsible but looking back how they acted made me think different. They must have been a reason why they left their kids alone in a hotel full of strangers their looks etc.

I do wish a reliable lie detector test that can be used! but ofc the police won't make them do it if they were one.

They don't work

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The video is Richard D hall and Peter Hyatt, i was asking which of them you didn't like anymore? Richard D Hall did seem a bit strange but I think Peter Hyatt is really good, I've read other stuff of his as well. Its Richard d hall interviewing Peter Hyatt and Peter Hyatt doing the analysis

Hall is in cahottes with Bennett who is poison and a fake Maddie defender who's spreads lies as truths,but people have wised up to him now ,he helps Hall with his videos ... Hyatt is very good

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

yes it is

Right the photo that showed up was Hall,sorry

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-5-years.html


Why would they do this ? 1 reason ... The efit is the double of Gerry ....... When it was shown on Crimewatch THOUSANDS out of Maddie groups named him,but nothing has been done

[AnnieK]

LT - why do you always say Kate and her husband but never use his name? Just curious.

However it happened, Maddie died a long time ago. I don't believe more money should be spent on this when there are far needier causes now.

[MTVN]

Police still investigate stuff from years ago all the time tbf, don't see the problem if they think there's still a chance of uncovering what happened. Ben Needham disappeared in 1991 and the police have still been investigating that recently

[Vicky.]

Bloody ridiculous. The amount of missing kids there is and I bet this case has had more spent on it than the others all combined. I know Ben Needhams mother had to fight tooth and nail for 800k I think it was, whilst this case just gets millions chucked over and over. I genuinely do think the police are now just using it as an excuse for long paid holidays.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

They look like they lost a bit of money or something not a child!

Gerry actually said something really odd along these lines. Its been a long long time since I looked into this case as its just too depressing and I have my own theory but **** knows what actually happened (though there is more evidence of death than an abductor)

He said something along the lines of...it was like discovering your account was overdrawn, when asked how it felt when they discovered her missing.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Gerry actually said something really odd along these lines. Its been a long long time since I looked into this case as its just too depressing and I have my own theory but **** knows what actually happened (though there is more evidence of death than an abductor)

He said something along the lines of...it was like discovering your account was overdrawn, when asked how it felt when they discovered her missing.

There where a few things they said and did that were very strange .

[jaxie]

Thanks for the links, I did get half way through the video but ran out of time so will watch the rest. It was interesting but didn't seem a lot more than speculation.

I was quite proud of my sons teeth after cleaning them and teaching him well in his early years. Scared to say it now in case anyone thinks I'm a perv! That whole talking about teeth cleaning being some sort of disclaimer for child abuse was just a bit out there.

Having said all that they are an odd couple, and they seem almost relaxed about the whole thing. I'm not sure I could get out of bed in the mornings if a child of mine went missing but maybe you do.

[Ammi]

..that was a really absorbing watch, Niamh...not just relating to Madeleine’s disappearance ..but also in general of statement analysis...I hadn’t known there was such a thing actually...(...actually is a red flag word I think..ooooops..)...


...but yeah..the past tense thing ...(...with always the belief that she was taken but still alive..)...has always felt a bit odd...and also in a time of such extreme panic and chaos emotionally and with their thoughts etc... when she was discovered gone...Kate said her immediate thoughts were of what Madeleine had said, which is why she knew she had been taken...so it was not acted on in leaving the children alone again but it was the first immediate thought...?...I don’t think chaotic and panicked minds have immediate thoughts, do they..?...and not connecting in that way to what Madeleine had said...connection comes when the mind becomes less chaotic, surely...connection requires a calm mind ..?...anyways yeah...an absorbing and interesting vid, thank you Niamh....

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They can't force people to take lie detector tests but this video is really good if you get time to watch it. This guy Peter Hyatt is a Statement Analyst, he trains law enforcement etc, he's very interesting but he analysed an interview with the McCanns

Youtube video

Thank you for this.

I've been up since 2 am and have to set off for work at 6.30 but I have started to watch this very interesting video and will finish watching it tonight. I wish that SOMEONE could resolve this mystery. Poor Maddie.

[user104658]

The two big give aways for me, are that they supposedly declared that she had been "taken by someone" immediately when the only thing that had happened was that she was missing. Most people's first assumption would be that a child had wandered off looking for them / was lost, not a random kidnapping, especially as the other two children were still safe.

Second thing is that they kept insisting on a narrative where the window had been forced open for someone to get in, and then when informed that the sequence of events was impossible, suddenly changed the story to the door being left unlocked.

Straight away none of it adds up. Trying to figure out what DID happen is really mostly speculation, obviously, but you can be pretty sure that there's a lot more to what happened that night than they've ever said, just based on their inconsistencies and changing stories, and other very odd statements from various people.

[Ammi]

...actually..maybe they had the ability to calm their minds in finding Madeleine gone...I do think there was ‘story telling’ and has been storytelling as the analyst said...but I don’t think that storytelling necessarily indicates the extreme of having harmed her in anyway...either intentionally or unintentionally...maybe more, a calming of their minds and self thoughts to realise ...they could be prosecuted for neglect in leaving Madeleine in the apartment...they could lose the other two children, they could lose jobs etc...because they did feel their own responsibility of her being taken../...they left the children alone...so the storytelling of painting ‘good parents’..would or could be because of their guilt and the potential consequences ...


...although the analysis stuff is interesting...I am I think still in the vein with LT with this...if there was pre- thought in that there was intention to harm her ...then why choose somewhere they had no knowledge of in concealing her body...that wouldn’t make sense to me...that they would or could be so sure to immediately say ‘she’s been taken’...that’s also surely something a parent would never say or think unless it was truly believed...that a body wouldn’t be found because there was no ‘knowledge of guilt’...of having harmed her...but there was knowledge of having left her ...so a knowledge of the potential consequences and impact of that....

...if it was unintentional...as in she came to harm because of the ‘neglect’...then that would take some thought processes of confidence to conceal her body also ...of a concealed area they could be sure of and with panicked thoughts...to be able to say in an immediate reaction..’she’s been taken’...being in such an unfamiliar place would indicate that statement and that reaction were believed as well...


...obviously there are other things as well that wouldn’t make sense if they had harmed her...intentionally or intentionally...why for so long have they kept the focus on...if they had successfully ‘covered up’...the focus could still surely discover her body..(...if they believed she was dead..)...


...I do agree that ‘disappearances’ are often connected within family/friend circles etc...the ‘known person’...those are the higher percentages with these things...and because of that, we become conditioned to ‘suspect’...and start to analyse ourselves...The media had Kate smiling etc shortly after Madeleine ‘was taken’...that’s hard to connect to feelings we would expect to see...but For someone so ‘intellegent’...as to have concealed Madeleine’s body in an unfamiliar place and to be ‘storytelling’....why would she then behave in the exact opposite way to apparent grief..?....that doesn’t make sense in my thoughts...she can remain controlled, they both can remain so controlled ...but couldn’t even ‘contol grief’ in their immediate public appearances....hmmmm....when we’ve seen other cases of child disappearances ...that ‘storytelling grief’ has been a big thing in concealment with many or most cases...but not with Gerry and Kate...


...anyway I haven’t read any of the files etc...but for there to be the evidence of blood etc in the places there were...then there seems to be a lot missing for two ‘medical people’ to have not paid attention to in removing obvious ‘evidence’...and yet be supremely confident that a body would never be found ...to be able to state so absolutely..’she’s been taken’...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The two big give aways for me, are that they supposedly declared that she had been "taken by someone" immediately when the only thing that had happened was that she was missing. Most people's first assumption would be that a child had wandered off looking for them / was lost, not a random kidnapping, especially as the other two children were still safe.

Second thing is that they kept insisting on a narrative where the window had been forced open for someone to get in, and then when informed that the sequence of events was impossible, suddenly changed the story to the door being left unlocked.

Straight away none of it adds up. Trying to figure out what DID happen is really mostly speculation, obviously, but you can be pretty sure that there's a lot more to what happened that night than they've ever said, just based on their inconsistencies and changing stories, and other very odd statements from various people.

...I do believe that ‘taken by someone’ did connect with her conversation with Madeleine immediately in her thoughts...but they left the children anyway...and then that connection happened immediately...I don’t know all of the ‘inconsistencies’ though..and am rushing off now...so yeah, many have studied it all more than I have...etc...

[thesheriff443]

Not an ounce of emotion from them!.
I have tryed to sit on the fence with this but after watching that analyst i truly believe she died in that apartment and they covered it up.

[bots]

I think the parents came from a position of guilt from the very beginning. They left their children and went out drinking with friends.

Something then went wrong, and Maddie either had an accident or was taken, and from that point forward the parents have been trying to minimize their own culpability. They were not honest from the outset and I don't believe they have been honest at any point to this day. I blame the parents without reservation, whether that be for abduction, an accident or murder. They remain responsible for the situation and I don't know why they haven't had to face the consequences in a court of law.