[Withano]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Depends on how long the Infraction lasts for, if an infraction expires before they commit their next rule break then their next infraction may not knock them into a ban otherwise they would just be banned again.

The system is basically meant to deter someone from repeated offences, I believe.

Probably about to piss a load of people off, but it seems like a good system to me tbh.
I’d imagine people hate it because some probably have on occaision received a lengthy ban for what looks like something silly, when actually they just have several in-date infractions

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Withano

Probably about to piss a load of people off, but it seems like a good system to me tbh.
I’d imagine people hate it because some probably have on occaision received a lengthy ban for what looks like something silly, when actually they just have several in-date infractions

Exactly, which seems ridiculous to me. Especially when two people are in an argument and one is behaving far worse than the other.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Exactly, which seems ridiculous to me. Especially when two people are in an argument and one is behaving far worse than the other.

If they behave worse than the other, they should get more points than the other I agree, I missed the whole drama of it all, but it did seem hastily dealt with perhaps if every single person just got a default 3 points for being there


- but I mean, surely people can correctly assume whether they’re over 9 points or coming close to it, and they should use that hunch as a way to detain themselves somewhat?! maybe a notification or warning sign could be added for them? as a way to remind them to wait until a few infractions expire before they seek justice.

I know that discussions been had before - about how we dont show points anymore because people would wait until they were in the clear before breaking rules... but it would make tibb seem nicer, even if it was all fake!

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Withano

If they behave worse than the other, they should get more points than the other I agree, I missed the whole drama of it all, but it did seem hastily dealt with perhaps if every single person just got a default 3 points for being there


- but I mean, surely people can correctly assume whether they’re over 9 points or coming close to it, and they should use that hunch as a way to detain themselves somewhat?! maybe a notification or warning sign could be added for them? as a way to remind them to wait until a few infractions expire before they seek justice.

I know there is a reasonable logic behind the theory that “members should just obey the rules” but using my own history with infractions as an example, when someone is being blatantly bigoted and it’s clear they’re deliberately doing so, it’s going to make me stand up for whichever minority I might be a part of, homophobia for example. When said members are allowed to continue posting the same sort of thing and yet other people seem to be the ones getting infracted and banned, it doesn’t seem fair at all, in fact it just looks like they are being allowed to continue with their behaviour, so I don’t see how it can not be expected that arguments are going to break out?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I know there is a reasonable logic behind the theory that “members should just obey the rules” but using my own history with infractions as an example, when someone is being blatantly bigoted and it’s clear they’re deliberately doing so, it’s going to make me stand up for whichever minority I might be a part of, homophobia for example. When said members are allowed to continue posting the same sort of thing and yet other people seem to be the ones getting infracted and banned, it doesn’t seem fair at all, in fact it just looks like they are being allowed to continue with their behaviour, so I don’t see how it can not be expected that arguments are going to break out?

I’d like to think you wouldn’t be infracted for that unless you insult the person who you’re arguing with? And the person you’re arguing with would be infracted for their homophobia?
But if that sort of thing aint happening, then I agree, its one of the things that needs to be changed.

Its the ‘baiting’ infraction that winds me up. So many members have hundreds, or thousands (literally) of baiting posts

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’d like to think you wouldn’t be infracted for that unless you insult the person who you’re arguing with? And the person you’re arguing with would be infracted for their homophobia?
But if that sort of thing aint happening, then I agree, its one of the things that needs to be changed.

Its the ‘baiting’ infraction that winds me up. So many members have hundreds, or thousands (literally) of baiting posts

Oh, I won't deny, certainly I have been infracted for insulting members, but I haven't done it with a disregard for the rules, it's because of simple defence. If someone is being outright homophobic with complete disregard for a large part of the forum, I don't see why they should be granted with any respect. Maybe that's wrong of me and lowering myself to their level, but I think that their offence is worse.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Exactly, which seems ridiculous to me. Especially when two people are in an argument and one is behaving far worse than the other.

If someone is behaving noticeably worse then they probably will get a bigger infraction but whether they get banned or not is dependant on their points. The system is based on individual actions and consequences.

Say, if someone reports someone else for baiting in SD and I'm online to read the report thread, I'll go into the topic, look at the post in question and then I tend to go back and forth to understand the context, more often than not I'll find that both sides broke the rules and I infract both, it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong in the argument itself, I have to base it on rule breaks if I want to be impartial.

With all the transphobia stuff in the last CBB, I came up with a rule of thumb. I think it's okay to accuse someone of, in this example, being transphobic as long as you explain why in a reasonable manner IE 'I think you're transphobic because of this and that.' I think that's perfectly fine, the problem occurs if someone goes like 'YOU'RE A TRANSPHOBIC TROUT! GO CHOKE!'. When faced with bigotry, you've got to preferably report or, if you want to discuss, do so in a way that doesn't reduce the discussion to people insulting each other.

[jet]

When do points accrued expire if you haven't had any for a while?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

When do points accrued expire if you haven't had any for a while?

Depends on the infractions, Serious infractions tend to have longer expiration dates. A one pointer or a minor infraction might only be active for one month but depending on if the person is a frequent rulebreaker or their offences are particularly bad, they'll get longer lasting infractions that will keep them at a higher number of points for longer which means they need to be on their best behavior for longer.

I think the longest expiration date I've given on a non permaban infraction is a year. Usually the average for most mods is probably around 1-3 months per infraction, I'd say.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Exactly, which seems ridiculous to me. Especially when two people are in an argument and one is behaving far worse than the other.

There are always 2 sides to a story and an argument,one person may say outright their part while the other one is sneaky to avoid the radar ,but BOTH should be infracted ,it shouldn't save your neck by being the slyest

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Withano

Probably about to piss a load of people off, but it seems like a good system to me tbh.
I’d imagine people hate it because some probably have on occaision received a lengthy ban for what looks like something silly, when actually they just have several in-date infractions

That's why we get a lot of complaints tbh, a lot of people think we've chosen to ban them for one thing when it's the system that bans them for going over the threshold.

If people break rules too often, any offense can send them into a ban.