[Cherry Christmas]

the burglars family are now saying he didn't deserve to die, and no he didn't and he would be alive if he didn't break into an OAPs house and terrorise them and try to steal their possessions.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

the burglars family are now saying he didn't deserve to die, and no he didn't and he would be alive if he didn't break into an OAPs house and terrorise them and try to steal their possessions.

The choices we make.
I could say I didn’t deserve to die if i went and tried kidnapping a bear cub with its mum hanging around....

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

the burglars family are now saying he didn't deserve to die, and no he didn't and he would be alive if he didn't break into an OAPs house and terrorise them and try to steal their possessions.

No-one deserves anything, and if you force your way into someone else's home, anything that happens to you is your own fault.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No-one deserves anything, and if you force your way into someone else's home, anything that happens to you is your own fault.

That's my thoughts there really, it's not that he "deserved to die", like you wouldn't give him the death sentence for it if he had been arrested... but, he made the decision to risk his life when he broke into someone's home so whether or not he "deserved it" is kind of a moot point. He's still responsible for his own death.

Someone who tries to run across a busy motorway "deserves" to die even less than a burglar, but it still isn't the fault of the driver that hits them.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's my thoughts there really, it's not that he "deserved to die", like you wouldn't give him the death sentence for it if he had been arrested... but, he made the decision to risk his life when he broke into someone's home so whether or not he "deserved it" is kind of a moot point. He's still responsible for his own death.

Someone who tries to run across a busy motorway "deserves" to die even less than a burglar, but it still isn't the fault of the driver that hits them.

Yeah pretty much. If you're breaking into someones house, a parent with kids upstairs etc don't know what your intentions are, you may just be thinking I'll steal their TV and make my way out or they could be some psycho who's planning on murdering you all in your beds, so what do you do? If my kids are upstairs I'd be making sure that person doesn't get back up again

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah pretty much. If you're breaking into someones house, a parent with kids upstairs etc don't know what your intentions are, you may just be thinking I'll steal their TV and make my way out or they could be some psycho who's planning on murdering you all in your beds, so what do you do? If my kids are upstairs I'd be making sure that person doesn't get back up again

True, the only reason I have a bit of an issue with the Tony Martin case is that it was proven that he shot people who were fleeing... which just doesn't sit well with me at all. It's an execution out of anger, not self-defense.

But if I heard something in the night and went out to find some bloke walking up the stairs, I'd sure as **** be kicking him right back down them and there's a pretty solid wall at the bottom .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

True, the only reason I have a bit of an issue with the Tony Martin case is that it was proven that he shot people who were fleeing... which just doesn't sit well with me at all. It's an execution out of anger, not self-defense.

But if I heard something in the night and went out to find some bloke walking up the stairs, I'd sure as **** be kicking him right back down them and there's a pretty solid wall at the bottom .

..yeah he did, Tony Martin..but he was diagnosed as Aspergers as well../..diminished responsibility...that’s not excusing but his reasoning wasn’t of ‘sound mind’ either...they were travellers I believe, he’d been having issues with travellers trespassing for a while ...and there were threats to kill him from the travelling community as well after the death....so it’s a complicated case which can’t be compared to the OP case....

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

True, the only reason I have a bit of an issue with the Tony Martin case is that it was proven that he shot people who were fleeing... which just doesn't sit well with me at all. It's an execution out of anger, not self-defense.

But if I heard something in the night and went out to find some bloke walking up the stairs, I'd sure as **** be kicking him right back down them and there's a pretty solid wall at the bottom .

I don't know anything about the Tony Martin case, the one I was talking about, i guess was similar in that he followed the guy out and shot him dead (possibly in the back) but I could still understand why he did it (his gun was legal) There was more of a back story with it, it was a group of travelers who had been harassing him for a while, breaking into his property and terrorising him basically. He had previously reported them and really was at his wits end

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know anything about the Tony Martin case, the one I was talking about, i guess was similar in that he followed the guy out and shot him dead (possibly in the back) but I could still understand why he did it (his gun was legal) There was more of a back story with it, it was a group of travelers who had been harassing him for a while, breaking into his property and terrorising him basically. He had previously reported them and really was at his wits end

Similar story with Tony Martin he had been broken into many times though the police disputed that claim

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Cherie

the burglars family are now saying he didn't deserve to die, and no he didn't and he would be alive if he didn't break into an OAPs house and terrorise them and try to steal their possessions.

Preying elderly and disabled people, scum of the earth