[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The point being that the thug didn’t know that did he. HE was deliberately targeting easy targets because he was a coward- he just got more than he bargained for.

I get all that.

But i am surprised at this old trooper being described as disabled, defenceless and poor old.

But my main issue here is people grieving being called scum.

So unless what amy jade says is correct then this is just another attack on 2 people because they are travellers.



Didn't Hughie teach us anything...aww hughie..what a guy.

[kirklancaster]

I love how these cowardly twots always turn up to rob and burgle in PAIRS or more, and are always ARMED with some type of weapon despite their victims often being lone women or lone old men or elderly couples.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I get all that.

But i am surprised at this old trooper being described as disabled, defenceless and poor old.

But my main issue here is people grieving being called scum.

So unless what amy jade says is correct then this is just another attack on 2 people because they are travellers.



Didn't Hughie teach us anything...aww hughie..what a guy.

They are making a statement though Parmy, you grieve quietly and privately. How many times do families say please respect our privacy at this time. This isn't an act of grieving, it's a very public act of provocation. And a two fingers up at the gentleman who fought for his life and ended up killing someone in self defence and his community. We know where you live they are saying.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

They are making a statement though Parmy, you grieve quietly and privately. How many times do families say please respect our privacy at this time. This isn't an act of grieving, it's a very public act of provocation. And a two fingers up at the gentleman who fought for his life and ended up killing someone in self defence and his community. We know where you live they are saying.

Travellers grieve fairly publicly as far as im aware and the women are fairly spiritual. Maybe they might see that as his spirits resting place...i see a lot of flowers on trees and lamposts round here..whatever it is..no-one and i mean no-one can tell another person how they should grieve.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Travellers grieve fairly publicly as far as im aware and the women are fairly spiritual. Maybe they might see that as his spirits resting place...i see a lot of flowers on trees and lamposts round here..whatever it is..no-one and i mean no-one can tell another person how they should grieve.

...I do understand Parmy..and that the travelling community and families may have traditional ways of expressing grief publicly also etc...but I think this is in context of other things also, the flowers being put on the fence...?...I’m not sure of the accuracy of all reporting but ‘death threats’ are also being made and the couple have had to be moved to a safe house...

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I do understand Parmy..and that the travelling community and families may have traditional ways of expressing grief publicly also etc...but I think this is in context of other things also, the flowers being put on the fence...?...I’m not sure of the accuracy of all reporting but ‘death threats’ are also being made and the couple have had to be moved to a safe house...

Yes but whos to say the grieving family have anything to do with the death threats?

From my own experiences i am very aware of internet and life trolls latching onto any news story thats been so public so they can then be the sick and twisted individuals they are by contacting people involved to harrass and upset them...

I may be wrong, and it may well be the family if the stories are true....but to just jump in and hang them before a trial saddens me as i just see it as peoples prejudice and intolerance to travellers.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes but whos to say the grieving family have anything to do with the death threats?

From my own experiences i am very aware of internet and life trolls latching onto any news story thats been so public so they can then be the sick and twisted individuals they are by contacting people involved to harrass and upset them...

I may be wrong, and it may well be the family if the stories are true....but to just jump in and hang them before a trial saddens me as i just see it as peoples prejudice and intolerance to travellers.

That is a good point Parmy

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes but whos to say the grieving family have anything to do with the death threats?

From my own experiences i am very aware of internet and life trolls latching onto any news story thats been so public so they can then be the sick and twisted individuals they are by contacting people involved to harrass and upset them...

I may be wrong, and it may well be the family if the stories are true....but to just jump in and hang them before a trial saddens me as i just see it as peoples prejudice and intolerance to travellers.

..yeah I’m completely with you, Parmy...there may have been death threats to the couple ...but not from the family and loved ones necessarily or any of the travelling community...and I don’t think media reporting helps with these things either...’the twisted individuals’ as you call them...with the family placing flowers, the ladies..?...all I can see on their faces is sadness and grief because of their loss...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes but whos to say the grieving family have anything to do with the death threats?

From my own experiences i am very aware of internet and life trolls latching onto any news story thats been so public so they can then be the sick and twisted individuals they are by contacting people involved to harrass and upset them...

I may be wrong, and it may well be the family if the stories are true....but to just jump in and hang them before a trial saddens me as i just see it as peoples prejudice and intolerance to travellers.

..just touching on this thing Parmy said earlier in the thread...about ‘internet trolls latching on etc..’...?...I read a news report this morning...which said that some who are taking the flowers down aren’t residents or anyone associated with the older couple involved...they are people who have just read the media stories and have become ‘enraged’...so they have acted on that..that’s not really concern for the residents either, I wouldn’t say...

[Ammi]

.. my balance of personal ‘travelling community’ stories anyway...things I’ve personally experienced..is that yeah, some pretty negative ones with no care or regard to the community etc... it some great ones as well...some great, caring traveller parents who have helped create great associations and interactions with the residents...who have themselves initiated that and been very involved with other parents and children in caring for the community together...is what I’ve also experienced with some travellers...some great people with some great values...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Travellers grieve fairly publicly as far as im aware and the women are fairly spiritual. Maybe they might see that as his spirits resting place...i see a lot of flowers on trees and lamposts round here..whatever it is..no-one and i mean no-one can tell another person how they should grieve.

They weren't being fairly spiritual when they robbed my garage. Or when they left a site about a mile from me covered in disgusting crap, bags of dirty nappies, builders rubbish... and then there are those who are nicking people's pet dogs out of their front gardens to use as bait dogs. A BIG problem where I live. Sometimes they just can't be allowed to have their own way.

If this old man was your relative, Parm, you'd be singing a quite different song.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Livia

If this old man was your relative, Parm, you'd be singing a quite different song.

Exactly what I think.

The home owner simply defended himself, his wife and his property. He only stabbed the intruder once so he clearly never meant to kill him. The family should keep away from the victims house, out of respect but they seemingly have no respect and therefore a huge majority are struggling to bare any sympathy for them.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Livia

They weren't being fairly spiritual when they robbed my garage. Or when they left a site about a mile from me covered in disgusting crap, bags of dirty nappies, builders rubbish... and then there are those who are nicking people's pet dogs out of their front gardens to use as bait dogs. A BIG problem where I live. Sometimes they just can't be allowed to have their own way.

If this old man was your relative, Parm, you'd be singing a quite different song.

around where I work the problem is how they treat their horses, they dump them on other peoples/companies land without adequate food or security, they end up walking around the roads alot of times. A friend of mine and her husband have started a group that goes round feeding them and arranging vet care for them. Sulky racing is a big problem too, just down the road from where I work last week one of the horses collapsed on the road while they were in a sulky, they just unclipped him from it and left him there on the road to die. It's heart breaking

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

around where I work the problem is how they treat their horses, they dump them on other peoples/companies land without adequate food or security, they end up walking around the roads alot of times. A friend of mine and her husband have started a group that goes round feeding them and arranging vet care for them. Sulky racing is a big problem too, just down the road from where I work last week one of the horses collapsed on the road while they were in a sulky, they just unclipped him from it and left him there on the road to die. It's heart breaking

Disgusting. I don't know if it's the same in Ireland, but the police are scared of confronting them. Last year in Cromer - a costal town - the place was all but shut down when the travellers arrived... and it was like an invasion. And where were the police? Nowhere. Afterwards they apologised and said that lessons had been learned, etc... but the fact is that the locals had to fend for themselves.

And as AJ was saying about the supermarket... I've seen them descend on a supermarket en masse and the staff have had to follow them round the shop. There's also been a spate of them nicking stuff from charity shops. Charity shops!

A Labrador was stolen from my local village. Eight years old, beloved family pet... taken by travellers and used as a bait dog in a dog fight. The owners were distraught as you can imagine. Another part of the traveller culture we're not supposed to interfere with?

Conversely, not far from me, not even a mile, is a Romany camp. It's immaculate and they're really nice people, their kids go to the local school, they use the local pubs and there has never been a problem with them.

Travellers cannot continue to be a law unto themselves, and hanging flowers outside this couple's house was a provocative act.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Livia

Disgusting. I don't know if it's the same in Ireland, but the police are scared of confronting them. Last year in Cromer - a costal town - the place was all but shut down when the travellers arrived... and it was like an invasion. And where were the police? Nowhere. Afterwards they apologised and said that lessons had been learned, etc... but the fact is that the locals had to fend for themselves.

And as AJ was saying about the supermarket... I've seen them descend on a supermarket en masse and the staff have had to follow them round the shop. There's also been a spate of them nicking stuff from charity shops. Charity shops!

A Labrador was stolen from my local village. Eight years old, beloved family pet... taken by travellers and used as a bait dog in a dog fight. The owners were distraught as you can imagine. Another part of the traveller culture we're not supposed to interfere with?

Conversely, not far from me, not even a mile, is a Romany camp. It's immaculate and they're really nice people, their kids go to the local school, they use the local pubs and there has never been a problem with them.

Travellers cannot continue to be a law unto themselves, and hanging flowers outside this couple's house was a provocative act.

Yeah same here alright. And the whole reason there is such a massive "us and them" divide and why people might come across as generalising is because they don't seem to have to follow the same rules as everyone else in the country. If I had a horse and treated him the way they do with theirs, I'd be arrested and probably never allowed keep one again, they get to keep theirs on other peoples land and not feed them etc

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

around where I work the problem is how they treat their horses, they dump them on other peoples/companies land without adequate food or security, they end up walking around the roads alot of times. A friend of mine and her husband have started a group that goes round feeding them and arranging vet care for them. Sulky racing is a big problem too, just down the road from where I work last week one of the horses collapsed on the road while they were in a sulky, they just unclipped him from it and left him there on the road to die. It's heart breaking

OMG Niamh ,that is so sad,Can I ask what is Sulky racing ? it sounds awful,I think most of us know travellers that have been rude,and filthy,not all of them but a lot don't care about anyone other than themselves.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

OMG Niamh ,that is so sad,Can I ask what is Sulky racing ? it sounds awful,I think most of us know travellers that have been rude,and filthy,not all of them but a lot don't care about anyone other than themselves.

Here's a video of a race on a really busy road, very close to where I work

Youtube video

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

They weren't being fairly spiritual when they robbed my garage. Or when they left a site about a mile from me covered in disgusting crap, bags of dirty nappies, builders rubbish... and then there are those who are nicking people's pet dogs out of their front gardens to use as bait dogs. A BIG problem where I live. Sometimes they just can't be allowed to have their own way.

If this old man was your relative, Parm, you'd be singing a quite different song.

Do you think hitler had the right idea which was to murder them all like he did with the Jews.

Good and bad in every culture.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Do you think hitler had the right idea which was to murder them all like he did with the Jews.

Good and bad in every culture.

Do you think it's right to compare the Travellers to the Jews?

and I think you'll find it was the Roma people who were gassed... the travellers were probably still in neutral Ireland.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Do you think hitler had the right idea which was to murder them all like he did with the Jews.

Good and bad in every culture.

Of course there are good and bad in every culture - where did anyone say differently - but this family are a pretty unpleasant bunch known for not only targeting and stealing from the elderly whilst armed they are now attempting to intimidate the elderly VICTIM of a member of their family for defending himself.

It seems it doesn’t matter how badly people behave there will always be someone to defend them - that is what I find sad.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It seems it doesn’t matter how badly people behave there will always be someone to defend them - that is what I find sad.

I think some people are just more inclined to see things in shades of grey... Nothing is ever simple. And also it's not about "defending" anyone, this is a misunderstanding I keep encountering, the idea that being interested in the complexities of human psychology is "making excuses!" when it really isn't.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Livia

They weren't being fairly spiritual when they robbed my garage. Or when they left a site about a mile from me covered in disgusting crap, bags of dirty nappies, builders rubbish... and then there are those who are nicking people's pet dogs out of their front gardens to use as bait dogs. A BIG problem where I live. Sometimes they just can't be allowed to have their own way.

If this old man was your relative, Parm, you'd be singing a quite different song.

You are free to think that i would act differently, but to be honest i wouldnt..

I wouldnt go round pointing fingers with no proof as i know how much that can go horribly wrong with innocent people being killed due to one mans word.


And i would probably invited to 2 women indoors to discuss what to do going forward....believe it if you want..or not...