[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Sorry Twosugars, but Murdoch, Rothmere, the Barclay Brothers and Dyson do NOT receive Tax-Payers hard earned money at a rate of £300 per day (as much as a lot of hardworking people earn in a full week) nor do they sit in the House of Lords, and nor do they hold any direct power to thwart the legitimate decisions of a Democratically elected Government for their own individual AND collective purposes.

As for Trump and Putin, perhaps they regard Brexit as a good idea because it may well suit THEIR objectives, but the fact that have expressed such a view does not ring any alarm bells with me - not like the alarm bells which are triggered EVERY time Corbyn or Abbot open their Marxist mouths.

Kirk, really? That's a smoke screen. You know very well they hold enormous power. Directly by dictating editorial lines of their papers. Media is key in democracy. And indirectly they influence the government even more. You must have heard of frequent and cosy meetings of Murdoch in particular with sitting PMs. Half of government are their people, e.g. Johnson, Gove etc.


Re. Dezzy. I'm puzzled why you think he is being intolerant in his posts. I think he disagreed with Brillo quite politely.
Is this beef with him because of the combination of things like him being opinionated AND being a mod? I.e. would you also object if he posted as he does but stopped being a mod? Or stayed a mod but stopped posting?
Imagine how hard it must be to be both, I'm sure he doesn't enjoy being disliked by some. But otoh, why should he stop either?
This is off-topic and maybe we should talk about it in pms. But I promise I'm not going to get emotional about it like I did in the past and I won't call you a rightwing clique anymore. It's just I like this forum and the caliber of people on here and wish this beef would go away. Is it possible?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Kirk, really? That's a smoke screen. You know very well they hold enormous power. Directly by dictating editorial lines of their papers. Media is key in democracy. And indirectly they influence the government even more. You must have heard of frequent and cosy meetings of Murdoch in particular with sitting PMs. Half of government are their people, e.g. Johnson, Gove etc.


Re. Dezzy. I'm puzzled why you think he is being intolerant in his posts. I think he disagreed with Brillo quite politely.
Is this beef with him because of the combination of things like him being opinionated AND being a mod? I.e. would you also object if he posted as he does but stopped being a mod? Or stayed a mod but stopped posting?
Imagine how hard it must be to be both, I'm sure he doesn't enjoy being disliked by some. But otoh, why should he stop either?
This is off-topic and maybe we should talk about it in pms. But I promise I'm not going to get emotional about it like I did in the past and I won't call you a rightwing clique anymore. It's just I like this forum and the caliber of people on here and wish this beef would go away. Is it possible?

THere is a valid reason why he is disliked by some and it has nothing to do with being opinionated and a mod. There are other mods who are also both of those things - so with respect you really shouldn’t pass comment on something you are clearly not aware of!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Kirk, really? That's a smoke screen. You know very well they hold enormous power. Directly by dictating editorial lines of their papers. Media is key in democracy. And indirectly they influence the government even more. You must have heard of frequent and cosy meetings of Murdoch in particular with sitting PMs. Half of government are their people, e.g. Johnson, Gove etc.


Re. Dezzy. I'm puzzled why you think he is being intolerant in his posts. I think he disagreed with Brillo quite politely.
Is this beef with him because of the combination of things like him being opinionated AND being a mod? I.e. would you also object if he posted as he does but stopped being a mod? Or stayed a mod but stopped posting?
Imagine how hard it must be to be both, I'm sure he doesn't enjoy being disliked by some. But otoh, why should he stop either?
This is off-topic and maybe we should talk about it in pms. But I promise I'm not going to get emotional about it like I did in the past and I won't call you a rightwing clique anymore. It's just I like this forum and the caliber of people on here and wish this beef would go away. Is it possible?

I'm aware of Murdoch's sway with certain politicians and it is unacceptable but that happens with wealthy influential figures on both sides of the Left and Right of politics and has ALWAYS gone on, but I maintain that Peers on public money should NOT have any power to vote on any motion where there is a Conflict of Interest.

As for Dezzy - My response was EXCLUSIVELY concerned with his posts on Brexit and NOTHING at all to do with anything else Twosugars.

I am not one for reopening old wounds.

That has been put to bed.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

THere is a valid reason why he is disliked by some and it has nothing to do with being opinionated and a mod. There are other mods who are also both of those things - so with respect you really shouldn’t pass comment on something you are clearly not aware of!

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm aware of Murdoch's sway with certain politicians and it is unacceptable but that happens with wealthy influential figures on both sides of the Left and Right of politics and has ALWAYS gone on, but I maintain that Peers on public money should NOT have any power to vote on any motion where there is a Conflict of Interest.

As for Dezzy - My response was EXCLUSIVELY concerned with his posts on Brexit and NOTHING at all to do with anything else Twosugars.

I am not one for reopening old wounds.

That has been put to bed.

Ok, I'll drop it then.

Kirk, we agree on the issue of undue influence.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Ok, I'll drop it then.

Kirk, we agree on the issue of undue influence.

We certainly do Twosugars. I just wish that we could do something about it but we cannot.