[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...poor girl..rebuilding her life in any way is something that's not going to happen for a long time ...but at least she’ll be with her family and friends again now...

poor girl???

she is a convicted rape false accuser

do you support people who falsely accuse men of RAPE??

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

poor girl???

she is a convicted rape false accuser

do you support people who falsely accuse men of RAPE??

WHY IS THIS CONVICTED CRIMINAL NOT NAMED AND SHAMED

[Sticks]

And what about men falsely accused of rape, like this 19 year old did?

It is women like this lying 19 year old (NAME HER!!!), who wrecks mens lives while they are given anonymity - There is no justice

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Sticks

And what about men falsely accused of rape, like this 19 year old did?

It is women like this lying 19 year old (NAME HER!!!), who wrecks mens lives while they are given anonymity - There is no justice

Thank you for providing the incel point of view.

[Denver]

Go comment on something within your IQ levels

[Livia]

The only people who really know what happened are the alleged rapists and the girl. Some evidence on the Internet isn't enough... I tend to believe her, but I could be wrong and I'm surprised so many people have made up their mind conclusively. It's reminiscent to me of how Americans reacted to the Amanda Knox case.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

The only people who really know what happened are the alleged rapists and the girl. Some evidence on the Internet isn't enough... I tend to believe her, but I could be wrong and I'm surprised so many people have made up their mind conclusively. It's reminiscent to me of how Americans reacted to the Amanda Knox case.

yes exactly, that was another quite controversial case

i get your point Livia

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

The only people who really know what happened are the alleged rapists and the girl. Some evidence on the Internet isn't enough... I tend to believe her, but I could be wrong and I'm surprised so many people have made up their mind conclusively. It's reminiscent to me of how Americans reacted to the Amanda Knox case.

True but then, it is also very similar to the Knox case... it's fairly conclusive at this point that Knox was innocent and ended up being charged for political convenience (they needed an arrest and got impatient) and also convicted because she and Sollecito were coerced into making false statements without legal representation (whilst sleep deprived IIRC).

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

True but then, it is also very similar to the Knox case... it's fairly conclusive at this point that Knox was innocent and ended up being charged for political convenience (they needed an arrest and got impatient) and also convicted because she and Sollecito were coerced into making false statements without legal representation (whilst sleep deprived IIRC).

No to be controversial, TS, but I think Amanda Knox and her boyfriend were guilty. Their testimony did not match the physical evidence at the apartment... there's more, but that's quite another topic....

I think the reaction of Cypriot women spoke volumes about the legal system in Cyprus and their approach to rape. It's bad enough here...

[Kizzy]

I don't think anyone has made up their mind conclusively. All people want is due process, if that didn't happen they need to do over.

I don't see a link to reactions to Knox either, the cases were entirely different, she was the accused not the victim ... apart from the fact they are both young women I cant see the similarity in public reaction.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Also LT you keep saying that she said she didn't want a lawyer but I've been looking and can't find anything saying that, do you have a link or something to where you got that information? This is what I found :

Prosecutors said the woman willingly wrote and signed a statement retracting her claims 10 days after making the initial allegations.

The woman told the court this happened under duress with the threat of arrest and that she had been denied access to a lawyer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50945206

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also LT you keep saying that she said she didn't want a lawyer but I've been looking and can't find anything saying that, do you have a link or something to where you got that information? This is what I found :

Prosecutors said the woman willingly wrote and signed a statement retracting her claims 10 days after making the initial allegations.

The woman told the court this happened under duress with the threat of arrest and that she had been denied access to a lawyer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50945206

I think it was from that Jewish Times article I read yesterday or from the comments I cant recall I will see if i can get it from my history thing.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think it was from that Jewish Times article I read yesterday or from the comments I cant recall I will see if i can get it from my history thing.

Ok but clearly this isn't a fact then if we have conflicting reports on it. I mean I don't see why she would refuse a lawyer though, it doesn't make alot of sense especially when the Police were making it clear they didn't believe her

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ok but clearly this isn't a fact then if we have conflicting reports on it. I mean I don't see why she would refuse a lawyer though, it doesn't make alot of sense especially when the Police were making it clear they didn't believe her

No i dont think i stated it as a fact but that i read it in an article (but surely this would have come up in the court as her team must have brought this up?)

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No i dont think i stated it as a fact but that i read it in an article (but surely this would have come up in the court as her team must have brought this up?)

Well the bit I posted above was from court?

[Cherry Christmas]

There is so much information/misinformation floating about


I do think I heard on Shelia Fogarty yesterday that she didn't think she needed a solicitor but the Cypriots did not advise her otherwise which would be in their duty of care

[Livia]

Over 50 Israelis have flown to Cyprus to stand by the British woman.

“The minimum we can do is to be there to offer support, to show her that we believe her,” said Orit Sulitzeanu, executive director of the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel, adding that the protest was partly out of disgust that the “boys returned to Israel as heroes.”

The Times of Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/cyprus...rters-on-hand/

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Livia

Over 50 Israelis have flown to Cyprus to stand by the British woman.

“The minimum we can do is to be there to offer support, to show her that we believe her,” said Orit Sulitzeanu, executive director of the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel, adding that the protest was partly out of disgust that the “boys returned to Israel as heroes.”

The Times of Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/cyprus...rters-on-hand/

I read somewhere that apparently they came from "well connected families" and that when they arrived back into Israel people were chanting "The Brit is a *****" I'm glad that the tide has turned on them in Israel though, that says a lot

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I read somewhere that apparently they came from "well connected families" and that when they arrived back into Israel people were chanting "The Brit is a *****" I'm glad that the tide has turned on them in Israel though, that says a lot

Yes, there's been a lot of coverage both in Israel and in the Jewish press in the UK. People have been disgusted, and rightly so.

From the Jewish Chronicle:

https://www.thejc.com/comment/column...ncing-1.487040

[In the Drunk Tank]

Michael Davison the Facebook commenter is definitely the most reliable source in this case

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Michael Davison the Facebook commenter is definitely the most reliable source in this case

[Kizzy]

It was on the 6pm news last night about the level of support from Isreli women in Cyprus. It was great to see the weight of feeling there is that justice has not been done here.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Is Cypriot criminal justice reliable?

The UK’s sovereign base areas, which rely on Cypriot law, have not adopted Britain’s 1984 Police and Criminal Evidence Act for investigations. Consequently suspects are sometimes denied access to lawyers, with proper disclosure of evidence and interviews under caution not being tape-recorded, Mercer said. “A suspect in a police station is under enormous pressure and cannot be expected to check every word of statement. Furthermore, they would find it very difficult indeed to ask the police to change the wording when it is not accurate.”

So the court would not have seen this as unjust and discounted it?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-uk-woman-face

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Is Cypriot criminal justice reliable?

The UK’s sovereign base areas, which rely on Cypriot law, have not adopted Britain’s 1984 Police and Criminal Evidence Act for investigations. Consequently suspects are sometimes denied access to lawyers, with proper disclosure of evidence and interviews under caution not being tape-recorded, Mercer said. “A suspect in a police station is under enormous pressure and cannot be expected to check every word of statement. Furthermore, they would find it very difficult indeed to ask the police to change the wording when it is not accurate.”

So the court would not have seen this as unjust and discounted it?

You don't end up with heavily corrupt police forces without similarly corrupt court systems working in tandem . You're posting evidence against your own stance at this point.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You don't end up with heavily corrupt police forces without similarly corrupt court systems working in tandem . You're posting evidence against your own stance at this point.

i am just posting why that aspect was not accepted by the court. In the UK yes. This is a small island in the med. Their roads are more dangerous too and they dont have as good tap water.