[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Football lads would be at the game probably.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

The fight for equality has to start somewhere. Black people have been ignored for centuries - of course they are going to ****ing rebel. That's just human nature.

Educate yourselves.

Which equalities are they missing in the UK?

Originally Posted by Liam-

Or maybe it's because the recent protests have been going on for several weekends in a row, and now they can use social media to communicate more effectively.

[Cherie]

The London Mayor has asked that people do not march this weekend, do not throw away 12 weeks of lockdown, endanger further lives to the virus, not to mention the countless business's owned by both black and white and associated jobs that will be lost if the virus starts to spread unchecked again. I guess he needs to educate himself as well

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The London Mayor has asked that people do not march this weekend, do not throw away 12 weeks of lockdown, endanger further lives to the virus, not to mention the countless business's owned by both black and white and associated jobs that will be lost if the virus starts to spread unchecked again. I guess he needs to educate himself as well

If this problem really is hundreds of years old, I'm sure it can wait a few weeks until a global pandemic -which seems to affect BAME people worse- has ebbed down a bit.

But what does an Oreo like him know about anything

[Crimson Dynamo]

Evidence and dates


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[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[Boris Johnson says its 'absurd and wrong' to
attack a statue of Churchill during anti-racism protests]

Video Edit.
https://news.sky.com/video/boris-joh...tests-12005377

[Ashley.]

“You have to make more noise than anybody else, you have to make yourself more obtrusive than anybody else, you have to fill all the papers more than anybody else, in fact you have to be there all the time and see that they do not show you under, if you are really going to get your reform realised.”

Emmeline Pankhurst.

I am utterly shocked at the responses I have been seeing to these protests. But I think I'm especially shocked that there are women trying to deny the benefits of protesting when that is EXACTLY what granted us electoral equality in 1928.

The fight for equality has to start somewhere. Black people have been ignored for centuries - of course they are going to ****ing rebel. That's just human nature.

Educate yourselves.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

“You have to make more noise than anybody else, you have to make yourself more obtrusive than anybody else, you have to fill all the papers more than anybody else, in fact you have to be there all the time and see that they do not show you under, if you are really going to get your reform realised.”

Emmeline Pankhurst.

I am utterly shocked at the responses I have been seeing to these protests. But I think I'm especially shocked that there are women trying to deny the benefits of protesting when that is EXACTLY what granted us electoral equality in 1928.

The fight for equality has to start somewhere. Black people have been ignored for centuries - of course they are going to ****ing rebel. That's just human nature.

Educate yourselves.

Thank you Ashley.....I have been saying this all the way through.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

“You have to make more noise than anybody else, you have to make yourself more obtrusive than anybody else, you have to fill all the papers more than anybody else, in fact you have to be there all the time and see that they do not show you under, if you are really going to get your reform realised.”

Emmeline Pankhurst.

I am utterly shocked at the responses I have been seeing to these protests. But I think I'm especially shocked that there are women trying to deny the benefits of protesting when that is EXACTLY what granted us electoral equality in 1928.

The fight for equality has to start somewhere. Black people have been ignored for centuries - of course they are going to ****ing rebel. That's just human nature.

Educate yourselves.

fab post

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

“You have to make more noise than anybody else, you have to make yourself more obtrusive than anybody else, you have to fill all the papers more than anybody else, in fact you have to be there all the time and see that they do not show you under, if you are really going to get your reform realised.”

Emmeline Pankhurst.

I am utterly shocked at the responses I have been seeing to these protests. But I think I'm especially shocked that there are women trying to deny the benefits of protesting when that is EXACTLY what granted us electoral equality in 1928.

The fight for equality has to start somewhere. Black people have been ignored for centuries - of course they are going to ****ing rebel. That's just human nature.

Educate yourselves.

Exactly..
Really good post.

Says a great deal all through.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

“You have to make more noise than anybody else, you have to make yourself more obtrusive than anybody else, you have to fill all the papers more than anybody else, in fact you have to be there all the time and see that they do not show you under, if you are really going to get your reform realised.”

Emmeline Pankhurst.

I am utterly shocked at the responses I have been seeing to these protests. But I think I'm especially shocked that there are women trying to deny the benefits of protesting when that is EXACTLY what granted us electoral equality in 1928.

The fight for equality has to start somewhere. Black people have been ignored for centuries - of course they are going to ****ing rebel. That's just human nature.

Educate yourselves.

Don’t be condescending by telling people to educate themselves.

Lots try and use the fact that woman’s rights and gays rights as an example of how change will come by getting yourself out in the public eye.

Racism is a far deeper divide but change will come if the people that we vote into power have no choice but to make laws that protect ethnic minority’s because the overwhelming voice from the people is we want the law changed.

As soon as protesters show violence and start attacking businesses and the police all the momentum is lost and we are back to square one.

All good people don’t want violence and vandalism on the streets so that the empathy they felt for the cause is replaced by anger.

It’s people in suits that use pens that change life’s not those in hoodies carrying improvised weapons.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Don’t be condescending by telling people to educate themselves.

Lots try and use the fact that woman’s rights and gays rights as an example of how change will come by getting yourself out in the public eye.

Racism is a far deeper divide but change will come if the people that we vote into power have no choice but to make laws that protect ethnic minority’s because the overwhelming voice from the people is we want the law changed.

As soon as protesters show violence and start attacking businesses and the police all the momentum is lost and we are back to square one.

All good people don’t want violence and vandalism on the streets so that the empathy they felt for the cause is replaced by anger.

It’s people in suits that use pens that change life’s not those in hoodies carrying improvised weapons.

Are black people not good people for wishing for change after centuries of mistreatment? It seems as though you have completely missed my point if you believe that 'people in suits' will change the world, because that has rarely been the case in similar situations in the past. People will rebel until they are listened to, in the same vein children will cry until they are fed. As I said before - human nature.

Change does not happen because people 'wait patiently' or 'ask' for it' - it happens because people fight for it. And you'll have an extremely difficult time trying to convincing me otherwise.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Are black people not good people for wishing for change after centuries of mistreatment? It seems as though you have completely missed my point if you believe that 'people in suits' will change the world, because that has rarely been the case in similar situations in the past. People will rebel until they are listened to, in the same vein children will cry until they are fed. As I said before - human nature.

Change does not happen because people 'wait patiently' or 'ask' for it' - it happens because people fight for it. And you'll have an extremely difficult time trying to convincing me otherwise.

I think you have missed my point.
I’m not trying to convince you, because your opinion is your opinion.

Protest’s work when the cause makes the news not the fact violence and vandalism where used at the protest.

People recently celebrated VE Day for people then to attack Churchill who is probably the most admired prime minister in this countries history will get people’s backs up.

He came from a time when that’s how people viewed the word

You can’t rewrite history and it should be left as an example of the wrong doings
That have happened.

Smashing a window will get you noticed but it won’t change someone’s life for the better.

Only when the laws get passed does real change happen.

[bots]

violence and property damage were a means of attracting attention in the past as it was the only way to get the news that something was happening on the front page of the papers. That simply does not apply now.

The only way to change things is to change the consensus view, and that wont be achieved through violence and destruction

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I think you have missed my point.
I’m not trying to convince you, because your opinion is your opinion.

Protest’s work when the cause makes the news not the fact violence and vandalism where used at the protest.

People recently celebrated VE Day for people then to attack Churchill who is probably the most admired prime minister in this countries history will get people’s backs up.

He came from a time when that’s how people viewed the word

You can’t rewrite history and it should be left as an example of the wrong doings
That have happened.

Smashing a window will get you noticed but it won’t change someone’s life for the better.

Only when the laws get passed does real change happen.

People of grenfell have been protesting since it happened. The only violence was committed by the government and the cladding companies. They have pretty much 100% public support, and they've achieved nothing.

The cladding still exists, people are still homeless, governmental friends have avoided charges, so protests don't necessarily work when the things you say need to happen, actually happen.

Protests are supposed to be disruptive.

[arista]

Youtube video

[arista]

Yes the mayor also said
after 5PM
The Police Curfew takes over in Central London,
and Police can arrest them.

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Well this London Mayor is not covered in glory as to his handling of very much.

I'm not in favour of destruction of anything by the more volatile of people attaching themselves to the protests.

This is in the public domain now, after the trigger from the horrific killing of George Floyd.
Those deep rooted issues, suppressed for so long were bound to surface.

Now, the government and authorities would love all this to go away.
Constantly on about this pandemic, when the government has created more and more confusion of what is acceptable now.

Even looking at reducing the distance figure.
Despite the R infection rate risng from a few weeks ago from 0.5 to 0.9.
To now O.7 to 0.9
With it estimated at 1 or over 1 in some areas.
Yet more and more of the lockdown being eased.

People are confused.
I cannot grasp all the so called easing of measures.
There's people who haven't a clue how, or is it even safe to now engage is this bubble from this weekend too.

These protesters feel strongly, their cause is right, there are racial issues in the USA and here in the UK.
No matter how much some in the UK, would like it all swept under the carpet.

These protesters will persist and rightly so.
The message is clear.
Black lives matter.

To some in the USA and UK, black lives probably don't, so any attempt to portray these protesters negatively will be seized on.

No, Ashley's post is pretty much spot on as AnnieK indicated too.

It would be all too easy to stop protesting now, leaving those in power, locally and Nationally to pay lip service to the issue while again never addressing it.

Destruction of anything, even offensive statues of dubious characters of history doesn't help the cause obviously.
However the cause, in my view is right.
So government and Councils now need to engage not try to divide further.

To not just hear but actually listen too.
Then really do something positive to address the very serious issues raised in these protests.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Even looking at reducing the distance figure.
Despite the R infection rate risng from a few weeks ago from 0.5 to 0.9.
To now O.7 to 0.9
With it estimated at 1 or over 1 in some areas.
Yet more and more of the lockdown being eased.

People are confused.
I cannot grasp all the so called easing of measures.

They said it would be constantly monitored and restrictions would come back in if it went back up mainly to combat fears about coming out. The truth is that the economy is now on the verge of complete collapse and they are desperately trying to claw back public confidence in getting back two work... and spending so that work actually exists.

I suspect it isn't going to work, trading will remain at below 70% of pre-Covid levels regardless, and companies will start dropping like flies in a few months time.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They said it would be constantly monitored and restrictions would come back in if it went back up mainly to combat fears about coming out. The truth is that the economy is now on the verge of complete collapse and they are desperately trying to claw back public confidence in getting back two work... and spending so that work actually exists.

I suspect it isn't going to work, trading will remain at below 70% of pre-Covid levels regardless, and companies will start dropping like flies in a few months time.

I think you're right TS, definitely in your last paragraph.

[Liam-]

‘Defending’ a British war memorial to the people who defeated the nazis, while throwing up nazi salutes is peak 2020