[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I really wish people would stop referring to this student as a boy.

He is 19. He is an adult.

Technically speaking maybe, but I would still consider a 19 year old as a boy/girl as they're still teenagers. People still referred to me as a girl when I was well into my 20's, I don't see the issue tbh.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Pity you didnt read the whole of the wiki article you posted. (subtle hint there)

I doubt that you have .....

Incidentally, I have been a civil servant (and therefore a public servant) for central and local government and a public servant (and, sometimes, a civil servant) for privately run public (formerly central and local government) services and I have been employed by central and local government services (both publicly and privately run) in positions where I have been neither a public or a civil servant ..... confusin', ain't it .....

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

somebody should find out where the fat guy lives and egg his windows

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I really wish people would stop referring to this student as a boy.

He is 19. He is an adult. He acted like a petulant spoiled little boy wanting his own way and his childish manner and behaviour was dealt with in an appropriate manner, by an adult. IMO of course, though I am sure you will not agree which is fair does.

(re quoted as more was added after I replied)

Yes, he did. I absolutely agree with you. And he would have been dealt with by security and/or Police had the conductor done what he was supposed to have done.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I really wish people would stop referring to this student as a boy.

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the boyo.

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the boyo

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the boyo's

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The boyo wasn't assaulted

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boyo

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I really wish people would stop referring to this student as a boy.

He is 19. He is an adult. He acted like a petulant spoiled little boy wanting his own way and his childish manner and behaviour was dealt with in an appropriate manner, by an adult. IMO of course, though I am sure you will not agree which is fair does.

Yeah, I'm sure he couldn't have obtained his umpteen pints of lager while still claiming to be a "boy" .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Technically speaking maybe, but I would still consider a 19 year old as a boy/girl as they're still teenagers. People still referred to me as a girl when I was well into my 20's, I don't see the issue tbh.

The issue is : he is technically speaking: he is an adult and not some little boy.

If he's adult enough to go out drinking - he's adult enough to deal with ensuring he has the correct ticket for his journey on public transport, he's adult enough to realise he was in the wrong, he's adult enough to follow instructions and being asked to remove himself from the train when he knew fine well he did not have the correct ticket and he's adult enough not to lie about having the right ticket, when he admitted to his father - he didn't.

[Shasown]

A few other points to note now it is being investigated is that if the conductor had followed Scotrail official policy - ask to pay, offer bill to be sent home etc, then train goes on way with transport police informed.

Not only would the passengers not have been inconvenienced.

Have a go Hero wouldnt be being investigated for a possible assault.

Yob wouldnt be looking at getting away without paying and the possibility of some compo. (And if Mr Pillock{sic} does get prosecuted yob will get something for his war wounds).

In the event of some form of punishment being meted out to Mr Pollock for his intervention the message sent out to other fare dodgers suddenly changes from that of "we the public wont put up with it any longer" to "do it if you want coz if anyone twats you for it you get compo"

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Scottish colloquialism for a cheeky man or one of impudent nature....

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Omah

I doubt that you have .....

Incidentally, I have been a civil servant (and therefore a public servant) for central and local government and a public servant (and, sometimes, a civil servant) for privately run public (formerly central and local government) services and I have been employed by central and local government services (both publicly and privately run) in positions where I have been neither a public or a civil servant ..... confusin', ain't it .....

Oh I did read it all and other subsequents links on the page. Thats why I noted your ref was a generic one covering worldworld instances whereas mine was UK specific.

So you were(are) a shiney. Sorry mate, I didnt realise, while you were polishing seats in the public interest i was at the sharp end.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

A few other points to note now it is being investigated is that if the conductor had followed Scotrail official policy - ask to pay, offer bill to be sent home etc, then train goes on way with transport police informed.

Not only would the passengers not have been inconvenienced.

Have a go Hero wouldnt be being investigated for a possible assault.

Yob wouldnt be looking at getting away without paying and the possibility of some compo. (And if Mr Pillock{sic} does get prosecuted yob will get something for his war wounds).

In the event of some form of punishment being meted out to Mr Pollock for his intervention the message sent out to other fare dodgers suddenly changes from that of "we the public wont put up with it any longer" to do it if you want coz if anyone twats you for it you get compo"

According to the newspaper report: the conductor did offer him the option of paying.

'We are investigating the incident, which appears to show a person travelling without a valid ticket, refusing to pay for the journey, and swearing at a staff member in full view of customers

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1gWacexa5

I asked you earlier if you believed for one second if the conductor had suggested billing his home address: do you think for one second that the yob would have provided it? I don't need to think twice about that.....I'd bet my house that he would not have done so.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Oh I did read it all and other subsequents links on the page. Thats why I noted your ref was a generic one covering worldworld instances whereas mine was UK specific.

"Civil Service" specific .....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

The issue is : he is technically speaking: he is an adult and not some little boy.

If he's adult enough to go out drinking - he's adult enough to deal with ensuring he has the correct ticket for his journey on public transport, he's adult enough to realise he was in the wrong, he's adult enough to follow instructions and being asked to remove himself from the train when he knew fine well he did not have the correct ticket and he's adult enough not to lie about having the right ticket, when he admitted to his father - he didn't.

I never called him a little boy though or stated he was underage or not an adult, I just referred to him as boy as I would any other 19 year old boy Infact, here in Cork we refer to just about everyone as "boy" even girls

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Snowball

According to the newspaper report: the conductor did offer him the option of paying.

I asked you earlier if you believed for one second if the conductor had suggested billing his home address: do you think for one second that the yob would have provided it? I don't need to think twice about that.....I'd bet my house that he would not have done so.

Pyr you are still focusing in on the yob's behaviour, everyone admits it was wrong. I am not disagreeing with you on that.

My point is the conductor should have allowed the train to go on its way without further escalation, he should have informed Transport police and then let them deal with the youth. Thats their job not his and certainly not Mr Pollocks.

Whether or not the youth would have provided his home address is open to conjecture, however the conductor's actions were wrong as were Big Mans.

As I said earlier two (in fact three) wrongs dont make a right

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

It may have needed to be done, but not be another passenger, that's the point, he had absolutely no right to put his hands on that boy.

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Technically speaking maybe, but I would still consider a 19 year old as a boy/girl as they're still teenagers. People still referred to me as a girl when I was well into my 20's, I don't see the issue tbh.

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

I never called him a little boy though or stated he was underage or not an adult, I just referred to him as boy as I would any other 19 year old boy Infact, here in Cork we refer to just about everyone as "boy" even girls

A 19 year old is not a boy. They are an adult.

Boyo - is used as a derogatory term and is used when questioning the respectablity or morale grounding / bad behaviour / etc, of a male person in Scotland - on the other hand can be any age .....from very young cheeky upstarts, to fully grown man in their advancing years

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Omah

"Civil Service" specific .....

Yeah thats why its says "civil servant or public servant"

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Pyr you are still focusing in on the yob's behaviour, everyone admits it was wrong. I am not disagreeing with you on that.

My point is the conductor should have allowed the train to go on its way without further escalation, he should have informed Transport police and then let them deal with the youth. Thats their job not his and certainly not Mr Pollocks.

Whether or not the youth would have provided his home address is open to conjecture, however the conductor's actions were wrong as were Big Mans.

As I said earlier two (in fact three) wrongs dont make a right

I don't necessarily disagree with your comment re the conductor - I do disagree with you on the Big Man's stance. (Mr Pollock).

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Oh I did read it all and other subsequents links on the page.

Oh no, you didn't .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_services

See also
Public value – the equivalent of shareholder value in public management
Public good – a good whose availability is not reduced (non-rivaled) due to the consumption by others; and that no one can be effectively excluded (non-excludable) from using the good
Right to Public Services legislation
CEEP European Centre of Enterprises with Public Participation and of Enterprises of General Economic Interest
Customer service
European Community regulation
Infrastructure
New Public Management
Privatization
Public administration
Public ownership
Public policy
Public service broadcasting
Service
VÖWG Austrian Association for Public and Social Economy
Welfare state

Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Public Service Innovation
Municipal Services Project
Public Services International
Public Services International Research Unit
publicservice.co.uk – Public Service News
Daniel Chavez (ed), Beyond the Market: The Future of Public Services, TNI Public Services Yearbook 2005/6, Transnational Institute / Public Services International Research Unit (PSIRU), February 2006
European Centre of Enterprises with Public Participation and of Enterprises of General Economic Interest

Civil service in the executive branch of government
Government agency ·Bureaucracy ·Bureaucrat ·Public administration ·Public services ·Public policy ·Public sector

Terminology
Undersecretary ·Commissioner ·Diplomatic service

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Categories
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See also: Civil service reform in developing countries ·Imperial examination (Ancient China)

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Snowball

A 19 year old is not a boy. They are an adult.

Boyo - is used as a derogatory term and is used when questioning the respectablity or morale grounding / bad behaviour / etc, of a male person in Scotland - on the other hand can be any age .....from very young cheeky upstarts, to fully grown man in their advancing years

Careful now you could end up on young Sam's "to sue" list

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...name_page.html

[Niamh.]

[QUOTE=Snowball;4817518]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

It may have needed to be done, but not be another passenger, that's the point, he had absolutely no right to put his hands on that boy.[/QUOTE]





A 19 year old is not a boy. They are an adult.

Boyo - is used as a derogatory term and is used when questioning the respectablity or morale grounding / bad behaviour / etc, of a male person in Scotland - on the other hand can be any age .....from very young cheeky upstarts, to fully grown man in their advancing years

Fine, look at the final point on that list, "boy" is Cork slang, if you're allowed to use Scottish slang, I'm allowed use Corkonian slang

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g1...ork.Slang.html

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Oh I did read it all and other subsequents links on the page. Thats why I noted your ref was a generic one covering worldworld instances whereas mine was UK specific.

So you were(are) a shiney. Sorry mate, I didnt realise, while you were polishing seats in the public interest i was at the sharp end.

I have also held positions in the private sector, in the fields of Civil Engineering, Telecommunications, Automotive Manufacture and Information Technology .....

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Omah

Oh no, you didn't .....

Yes I did every single one of them

"One recent innovation, used in the UK increasingly as well as Australia and Canada is public-private partnerships. This involves giving a long lease to private consortia in return for partly funding infrastructure."

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Omah

I have also held positions in the private sector, in the fields of Civil Engineering, Telecommunications, Automotive Manufacture and Information Technology .....

Lovelyyyyy

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah thats why its says "civil servant or public servant"

I'm sorry - I can no longer help you if you fail to understand the concept of semantics .....