[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by Tom

Another 2.1m rating for last night, although I'm expecting that had a massive timeshift due to DOI

But still, we've hit BB10 levels after starting above BB9 levels. I don't get how people haven't stuck with this series, I've loved it

I know
It was doing SO well until C4 mucked up the slots.

So I guess it will probably match or even be less than CBB6 average, as you said the week needs to average about 2.7m for it to fall to CBB6 official average.

I really hope the 9pm shows this week saves the ratings.

Also, its useful to note that not only is it the slots, but Sovs departure has brought down the ratings a lot. As well as Stephens and Sisqos departure.

[*mazedsalv**]

Saturday with +1:
2.5m

Added about 450,000 on +1, good going!!
200,000 down on last week.

Sunday with +1:
2.6m

Added about 500,000 on +1.

OVERNIGHT AVERAGES:
Week 1- 3.7m
Week 2- 3.3m
Week 3- 3.0m

When officials are released all of them will be above the 3.3m average of CBB6 so all is good

[Brekkie]

Originally Posted by Tom

I meant how many viewers its lost since launch. I guess the launch show was artificially inflated with people watching because of the last one, the ad campaign and out of curiosity and not people who were still genuinely interested in watching the show.

That's another long term problem they've never shown any interest in fixing - the fall between the launch audience and episode 2. Other shows wouldn't accept it, so why did BB and C4, especially when the fall could have been reduced by setting up a better narrative at the end of the launch show to encourage people back to episode 2, and then by tweaking the second episode to cut the half-hour recap of launch night from Marcus, and probably in most cases having a twist unveiled live too to give it added importance.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

That's another long term problem they've never shown any interest in fixing - the fall between the launch audience and episode 2. Other shows wouldn't accept it, so why did BB and C4, especially when the fall could have been reduced by setting up a better narrative at the end of the launch show to encourage people back to episode 2, and then by tweaking the second episode to cut the half-hour recap of launch night from Marcus, and probably in most cases having a twist unveiled live too to give it added importance.

They should have built the series around the key and introduced it on launch night, or had a plan B for the mini task. When they have a plan B (e.g. cake thing) then it works really well. They could have had the launch over in 10 minutes by doing something as simple as a freeze frame when the housemate opens the door with the caption "Stephanie Beacham, 62, Actress", any remarkable moments from then (such as 'thank god for abortion'), then flames and onto the next person.

I don't think its the drop to episode 2 thats the problem- the problem is the amount of people who continue to watch rather than just thinking "I don't think I'll bother" on launch night. You could never expect up to 6m to watch the first highlights show. Because generally there are probably about 4-5m people watching this year, just not every night. And you can't make them watch every night, no show can manage that not even X Factor.

And just a bit of random info about Davina's other show, it got 0.9m which is really good for 6pm on Sky. It was slightly ahead of the Glee repeat on C4. It was a good show, I'm glad its doing well and Davina should have something to go back to next year.

[Brekkie]

Glee doing much better on E4 than C4 - don't know really why they're giving it a Sunday evening slot on C4 where The OC and Shipwrecked have failed before it - much better in the afternoon on T4. Anyway, in their wisdom C4 pitting Glee and BB against each other tonight, so both will probably be hit.


Back to the launch show and I think one of the biggest problems is probably one of it's biggest assets - it's live. If they sent the HMs in a couple of days before hand they can set things up better so there is enough in the first episode to get you back for the second.

[DigitalSid]

3.1 million last night, including the impressive 534,000 who tuned in on +1.

[biglover]

Originally Posted by DigitalSid

3.1 million last night, including the impressive 534,000 who tuned in on +1.

so its on at 9 on a week night and the ratings improve....C4 GET THAT INTO YOUR MIDS FOR GOD SAKE!!!!! X

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

Glee doing much better on E4 than C4 - don't know really why they're giving it a Sunday evening slot on C4 where The OC and Shipwrecked have failed before it - much better in the afternoon on T4. Anyway, in their wisdom C4 pitting Glee and BB against each other tonight, so both will probably be hit.


Back to the launch show and I think one of the biggest problems is probably one of it's biggest assets - it's live. If they sent the HMs in a couple of days before hand they can set things up better so there is enough in the first episode to get you back for the second.

Nothing stopping them doing that and then having a live launch anyway. Davina doesn't interact with the housemates so they could have her presenting a show from the studio whilst introducing the housemates as they enter etc and providing a bit of narrative. They don't have to enter live- but whilst we're introduced to them all and watch the first day or so of highlights, Davina could go live to the house/Big Brother dropping the first twist on them.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

YAY!!! Its back on form

[*mazedsalv**]

3.1m, great so glad its back above 3m.

Its simple, keep it on at 9pm C4!!!

[Tom]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

3.1m, great so glad its back above 3m.

Its simple, keep it on at 9pm C4!!!

Celeb BB has always been best suited at 9-10pm because its more mainstream than BB itself, whilst BB has been suited best at 10-10.50pm. I really hope we lose that 20-25 minutes in the summer, it was so much better when it ended at 10.50pm. 11.05 should be the very latest.

It should also just stick to the one slot on certain days, for example Monday-Wednesday at 10pm, Thursdays-Sundays at 9pm.

[Tom]

Last night got 3.4m. It beat the Amanda Holden thing on ITV at the same time (BB got 3m at 9)

Shameless did v well, got 3.7m in total

[biglover]

Originally Posted by Tom

Last night got 3.4m. It beat the Amanda Holden thing on ITV at the same time (BB got 3m at 9)

Shameless did v well, got 3.7m in total

That's great ! X although on DS it said CBB got 2.9m

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by biglover

That's great ! X although on DS it said CBB got 2.9m

D.S. aren't adding +1.

[DigitalSid]

3.3 according to IBB.

[*mazedsalv**]

It got 3.3m.

It came 2nd in its slot beating ITV1 which got around 2.6m for Amanda Holdon's Show. And Survivors got 3.6m on BBC1 which is awful! BB nearly beat it .. cant believe tehre was only a 300,000 people gap between BBC1 and C4 competing for top slot.

Shameless did brilliantly at the 10pm slot getting 3.7m.... the share must have been very high!

[Brekkie]

Originally Posted by Tom

Nothing stopping them doing that and then having a live launch anyway. Davina doesn't interact with the housemates so they could have her presenting a show from the studio whilst introducing the housemates as they enter etc and providing a bit of narrative. They don't have to enter live- but whilst we're introduced to them all and watch the first day or so of highlights, Davina could go live to the house/Big Brother dropping the first twist on them.

That's true. For the first celeb series they sent the HMs into the house in the morning then had a live show with nominations that night, which worked really well. And I'm a Celeb do it that way of course.

It's all about the packaging - launch with a standard Marcus narrated highlights show and it wouldn't work, but package it right (as BBUSA do) and it would be fine.

[Tom]

Few random stats to chuck in regarding Friday's final rating

Overnights

BB8- 5.1m (up 1.5m on series average of 3.6m)
BB9- 4.9m (up 1.6m on series average of 3.3m)
CBB6- 3.5m (up 0.5m on series average of 3m)
BB10- 2.9m (up 0.7m on series average of 2.2m)

Officials

BB8- 5.4m (up 1.5m on BB8 average of 3.9m)
BB9- 5.2m (up 1.6m on BB9 average of 3.6m)
CBB6- 3.9m (up 0.6m on CBB6 average of 3.3m)
BB10- 3.4m (up 0.9m on BB10 average of 2.5m)

So we can assume from that that with the series average likely to end up at 3.2m, 4-4.5m is most likely? Could maybe push up to 4.7m depending on amount of casual viewers who aren't watching every night. Officials could just touch on 5m but we don't know that average yet (probably about 3.5m).

[Brekkie]

I do think we'll see a healthier figure for the final as I do think like earlier series interest in this series does go beyond those who watch it everynight (unlike last year's efforts). Difficult to predict though - certainly won't top the launch show, and again could be anything from 3.5m-5.5m.

I'll place my bets on the first show being around 3.9m, with the second around 4.5m. What is certainly working in it's favour is it's the most open series for years - Vinnie, Dane and Alex have all been the bookies favourite in the last few days, Stephanie is topping a few polls whilst I don't think Jonas can be ruled out either.

[biglover]

Ratings for last night ? X

[*mazedsalv**]

C4 last night had one of the best nights in a while@:

Relocation, Relocation- 2.85M
Celebrity Big Brother Part 1- 3.63M (highest rating since launch)
Desperate Housewives- 2.62M
Celebrity Big Brother- 3.05M (rounded to 3.1m)... this is brilliant due to the 10 min early finish and the late time slot, will be around 3.4m if it didnt finish that early.

The first show beat BBC1's Crimewatch that got 3.4m. It is unknown if it beat ITV yet.
I will hopefully post the shares soon... the 2nd show share should be quite high.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

C4 last night had one of the best nights in a while@:

Relocation, Relocation- 2.85M
Celebrity Big Brother Part 1- 3.63M (highest rating since launch)
Desperate Housewives- 2.62M
Celebrity Big Brother- 3.05M (rounded to 3.1m)... this is brilliant due to the 10 min early finish and the late time slot, will be around 3.4m if it didnt finish that early.

So your telling me, It went from 3.63 to 3.05?
That means so much people switched off after Ivanas eviction and missed the best part of the series when Nicola was surprised Evicted and Davina entered!

Whats wrong with the public?

'Oh Ivana is out, Lets switch of the TV'

After being told Several times there will be another eviction and a surprise guest.


I bet Davina is gutted people switched off and didnt see her big break as a Housemate

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by Patrick

So your telling me, It went from 3.63 to 3.05?
That means so much people switched off after Ivanas eviction and missed the best part of the series when Nicola was surprised Evicted and Davina entered!

Whats wrong with the public?

'Oh Ivana is out, Lets switch of the TV'

After being told Several times there will be another eviction and a surprise guest.


I bet Davina is gutted people switched off and didnt see her big break as a Housemate

Think about it, the 11pm slot. The 22% share for the 2nd show proves that if that episode was on at about 9pm it would have gotten 4m+.
Also, finishing 10 mins early would have brought teh average down from 3.4m to 3.1m. Ive never seen a 11pm slot over 3m in years.

Also it was a school night, most of my friends in the year below went to bed and Sky+ it because they had school the next day. It also came first in its slot BY FAR...

[Jords]

What is this 'early finish' about?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

What is this 'early finish' about?

It didn't uitilise it's ten minuet overrun which would have brought up the average.