[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zee

But would you have left the door unlocked?

No, of course not.. But somebody could have easily got in the window had they wanted to.. Obviously these things didn't even enter my mind until after maddie was taken..

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

Agreed

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

this is how I feel!
people are just fanning the flames.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

That's how I felt until this recent Crimewatch program, at which point I re-examined the cold hard facts and changed my viewpoint. It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't routinely left their children alone in an unlocked apartment at night time. For that much alone they ought to be at least accepting some level of blame, publicly, but they never have.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Zee

That's how I felt until this recent Crimewatch program, at which point I re-examined the cold hard facts and changed my viewpoint. It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't routinely left their children alone in an unlocked apartment at night time. For that much alone they ought to be at least accepting some level of blame, publicly, but they never have.

what do you what zee, an apology, that will make it all right will it?

[Z]

Originally Posted by Lee.

No, of course not.. But somebody could have easily got in the window had they wanted to.. Obviously these things didn't even enter my mind until after maddie was taken..

But there's no evidence that an abductor came in through the window. They could have potentially opened the window and passed Madeleine out through it, but if there was an abductor, they came in through the door. The police concluded that the window hadn't been tampered with.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

what do you what zee, an apology, that will make it all right will it?

I don't want anything, I'm just pointing out the undeniable truth that it is their fault that Madeleine McCann was alone and vulnerable and nobody else's fault. If they're guilty then they've taken the world for a ride, and if they're innocent they've certainly gone about it in the most unbelievably suspicious way. What concerned parent would refuse to answer police questions? What concerned parent would obstruct the police investigation into their daughter's disappearance?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zee

I don't want anything, I'm just pointing out the undeniable truth that it is their fault that Madeleine McCann was alone and vulnerable and nobody else's fault. If they're guilty then they've taken the world for a ride, and if they're innocent they've certainly gone about it in the most unbelievably suspicious way. What concerned parent would refuse to answer police questions? What concerned parent would obstruct the police investigation into their daughter's disappearance?

Indeed. Even if you had been made a suspect at the time which was the excuse for not answering (it usually is a close family member in abduction cases..its really not uncommon to be a suspect) you would STILL do whatever it took to find your child. I would anyway

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

I used to feel like this until I read more about the case. I even donated once to the Madeleine fund (only a fiver but still a donation)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

I feel exactly the same I don't condone what they did, and I would never leave my belongings in an unlocked apartment never mind my children, but they did what they did and are suffering the consequences.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

At my sisters wedding, I fully intended putting my daughter in her cot in our hotel room when she fell asleep and we were all going to take turns checking in her... As it turns out, she fell asleep in her pram and seemed ok, so I didn't bother... But I honestly wouldn't have thought I was putting her in any danger at all!

In a locked hotel room, in a cot which I presume the child could not get out of themselves. I presume if you went ahead with leaving your child you'd have thought about how safe your child was, took it into consideration and made a decision.

Versus an unsecure apartment with 2 babies and 1 toddler able to roam around, out of sight with easy access to the street in the middle of the night.

The entire circumstances of the McCann's 5 nights away doesn't sound like they were very mindful and took any serious precautions. They even said themselves they only thought to check the children at regular intervals on that night because of what Maddie said at breakfast, the other nights they left for a couple of hours.

It's bad parenting however you look at it.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

In a locked hotel room, in a cot which I presume the child could not get out of themselves. I presume if you went ahead with leaving your child you'd have thought about how safe your child was, took it into consideration and made a decision.

Versus an unsecure apartment with 2 babies and 1 toddler able to roam around, out of sight with easy access to the street in the middle of the night.

The entire circumstances of the McCann's 5 nights away doesn't sound like they were very mindful and took any serious precautions. They even said themselves they only thought to check the children at regular intervals on that night because of what Maddie said at breakfast, the other nights they left for a couple of hours.

It's bad parenting however you look at it.

You don't think they regret that decision? God they must spend their days thinking "what if..." As I said I don't think what they did was right but I personally really really feel for them.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

You don't think they regret that decision? God they must spend their days thinking "what if..." As I said I don't think what they did was right but I personally really really feel for them.

I never said they don't. I don't believe anyone can punish them more than they are being punished with the loss of a daughter.

I was referring to your comment about their actions at the time, there is no excuses for the decision they came to. No responsible parent would have reached the conclusion they did.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I never said they don't. I don't believe anyone can punish them more than they are being punished with the loss of a daughter.

I was referring to your comment about their actions at the time, there is no excuses for the decision they came to. No responsible parent would have reached the conclusion they did.

No, but harping on about it isn't going to help anybody.. Everybody, including her parents just want some sort of closure on this horrible tragic case.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

No, but harping on about it isn't going to help anybody.. Everybody, including her parents just want some sort of closure on this horrible tragic case.

Who's harping on?

People are discussing the crimewatch, and all of the information surrounding the case including the facts brought up in the reconstruction.

If you don't like it, don't engage in it.

[Kazanne]

Well it seems to be the McCanns themselves who keep bringing it up,just sayin'

[Kizzy]

By holding yourself up for public scrutiny they or anyone cannot rightly expect the public not to pass comment on their personal view on the situation as it stood at the time.

[GypsyGoth]

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

That seems like a good question. It was mentioned in this thread that wouldn't someone's first thought be that the child had wandered off to try and find the missing parents. Rather than "they're taken her!"

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

Another good question. Although if her child was really missing without her knowledge, then I think shock can account for that.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

That seems like a good question. It was mentioned in this thread that wouldn't someone's first thought be that the child had wandered off to try and find the missing parents. Rather than "they're taken her!"

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

Another good question. Although if her child was really missing without her knowledge, then I think shock can account for that.

as for the first question, I think as a mother if your child wasn't in her bed and in a foreign place, you'd know. I'm not a mother obviously, but she said the window was wide open and she just 'knew'. i think i'd have felt the same.

and the next one, shock maybe? I don't think its that much of a big deal. get all of her friends to help find madeline and call the police? what good would shouting from the veranda do? surely you would rather go and look + get all of your friends too?

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

as for the first question, I think as a mother if your child wasn't in her bed and in a foreign place, you'd know. I'm not a mother obviously, but she said the window was wide open and she just 'knew'. i think i'd have felt the same.

and the next one, shock maybe? I don't think its that much of a big deal. get all of her friends to help find madeline and call the police? what good would shouting from the veranda do? surely you would rather go and look + get all of your friends too?

That does make sense.

And yea it does seem like a good idea to get the others. It is strange why she didn't want to answer the questions to the police.

Also maybe the McCanns just do things a bit odd, not that they're mental are anything, just maybe kinda eccentric.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

That does make sense.

And yea it does seem like a good idea to get the others. It is strange why she didn't want to answer the questions to the police.

Also maybe the McCanns just do things a bit odd, not that they're mental are anything, just maybe kinda eccentric.

i think you're probably right. and i think losing a child might just do that to you

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

i think you're probably right. and i think losing a child might just do that to you

Very true but I mean also before this whole event. Like maybe they weren't the most normal of couples to begin with.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

No, but harping on about it isn't going to help anybody.. Everybody, including her parents just want some sort of closure on this horrible tragic case.

The McCanns want people to discuss it that's the whole point of the Crime watch special the other night.

Originally Posted by Ninastar

as for the first question, I think as a mother if your child wasn't in her bed and in a foreign place, you'd know. I'm not a mother obviously, but she said the window was wide open and she just 'knew'. i think i'd have felt the same.

and the next one, shock maybe? I don't think its that much of a big deal. get all of her friends to help find madeline and call the police? what good would shouting from the veranda do? surely you would rather go and look + get all of your friends too?

That's a decent point that plenty have brought up before and some would say a parent would just know/have a feeling but if like she said she knew as soon as she saw the empty bed that her daughter had been 'taken' then why did she waste the next 5/10 minutes searching the apartment 3 or more times instead of alerting everyone?

As for the next point well if I thought someone had just taken off with my daughter then there is no way in this world I would leave my other 2 children sleeping alone in that apartment.

Saying all that though, everyone of course will react differently in situations and maybe that's just the way she is but surely people can then see why some will question the things they have done after the disappearance.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

why did she waste the next 5/10 minutes searching the apartment 3 or more times instead of alerting everyone?

Hoping she was wrong? I would guess she'd be in immediate shock and not wanting it to be true.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Josy

The McCanns want people to discuss it that's the whole point of the Crime watch special the other night.

I was talking about those who just keep going on and on about the children being left alone in their apartment. I am fully aware of why they did the crime watch programme and it wasn't for the public and the media to have yet another pop at their parenting skills and lay the blame of their daughters abduction on them.

[Vicky.]

On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

First question. Any problem with that? No loaded, cant trip self up etc.

Many more like that too..still unanswered for some reason or another
List of the questions for those who dont know

Spoiler:

1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

2. Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)

3. (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?

4. Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?

5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

7. Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.

8. Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?

9. When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?

10. What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

12. Who contacted the authorities?

13. Who took place in the searches?

14. Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?

15. Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

16. What does 'we let her down' mean?

17. Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?

18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?

19. During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?

20. Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?

21. Who did you phone after the occurrence?

22. Did you call Sky News?

23. Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?

24. Did you ask for a priest?

25. By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?

26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

27. What was your behaviour that night?

28. Did you manage to sleep?

29. Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?

30. What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?

31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?

32. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?

33. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?

34. As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?

35. What is your medical specialty?

36. Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?

37. Did you work every day?

38. At a certain point you stopped working, why?

39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?

40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?

41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?

42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

43. In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

47. When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?