[Claymores]

In the Hague for War Crimes/Crimes Against Humanity contrary to international law and the UN Conventions?

He clearly led his country to attack another which was posing no offensive threat and caused countless deaths on both sides for no valid reason. He also did this in the knowledge that Iraq posed no offensive threat to the UK, and purveyed the obvious lies fed to him by another warmongering nation simply because we are defensive allies.

[*mazedsalv**]

Yes because this war is a vital part of the last few years.
Also, I dont get why a celebrity dying should be any different to any human dying. I hate it when they report a celebrity as breaking news, talk about it for 25 minutes of a 30 minute news programme with the rest of the 5 minite sbeing other storiers inlucing other people that have died (who arent famous).

Not to be harsh, MJ was a legend and everything, but during the whole fortnight after his death, there was literally no other news that was reported.

[Harry!]

If this happened prior 9/11 then there would of been outrage of a reporting of a dead soilder in war. Take for example the Vietnam War and the death toll count which was reported to the US civilans. There was a outrage of the reportings of the dead at war.

I think they should be allowed to replort deaths of people at war but only on certain conditions they shouldn't.

[ILoveTRW]

Originally Posted by Recylopse

If this happened prior 9/11 then there would of been outrage of a reporting of a dead soilder in war. Take for example the Vietnam War and the death toll count which was reported to the US civilans. There was a outrage of the reportings of the dead at war.

I think they should be allowed to replort deaths of people at war but only on certain conditions they shouldn't.

the reason why they didnt report the death toll of the vietnam war was because they were trying to make americans believe that they were winner the war

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ILoveDC

the reason why they didnt report the death toll of the vietnam war was because they were trying to make americans believe that they were winner the war

In the latter stages of the Vietnam War nightly casualty figures were broadcast on most major US news programmes, it was this and the fact the anti war movement had a much better publicity campaign than the Government that helped to remove popular support for the war. Remember this was in the late 60's - flower power, peace and love to all.

Without commenting on the moral aspects of the war, the US governments position was undermined by the people and as such this lead to reversing the stategy of the war, in fact the US had the upper hand militarily and by losing populist support eventually ended up engaging in what turned out to be a fighting withdrawal.

The USSR had a similar problem with their little outinginto Afghanistan in the 80's.

[InOne]

It's not always lead, but is always reported and that.

[ILoveTRW]

err no, the news would become boring

it would be the same story every day but with different names

[30stone]

I usually try to stick up for you patrick because some people are sometimes unnecessarily harsh to you and forget your age, but the statements and insults you have made in this thread are absolutely ridiculous, and id advise you to stop before i ban you.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Should the death of a UK soldier always be a lead news item?

Definitely! It is a sign of respect and appreciation for their sacrifice - not only for them but for their families as well!

[teamandre]

yes it should be there out there fighthing for stuipd reasons really but dont say anything they should at least get a bit of respect from people i mean what if they have children

[Crimson Dynamo]

But why should it be lead news. If it is a regular occurrence during war, why is it news?

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But why should it be lead news. If it is a regular occurrence during war, why is it news?

UK Government never admit we are at war...........otherwise have to declare war on a country under international laws..........it is a 'military action' to protect the local population..........the Americans invented this idea in Vietnam and has been used to circumvent international/UN laws ever since. Deaths are bread and butter because of Sky News/BBC 24/CNN.............they've too many corespondents who would be idle if another british soldier doesn't get shot. The unfortunate truth

[Claymores]

Sky News/BBC 24/CNN - not to mention Sky 1's Ross Kemp and camera team bugging the soldiers' tits off every time they go out!!!!!!!!

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Not really the lead news, only if their is nothing more bigger than that. It will always be big news what ever the case.

[Niamh.]

I would say depends what other stories happen that day

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I would say depends what other stories happen that day

If you were the Sun editor and 2 soldiers had died in a ied attack but also Girls Aloud had split. What would you lead on?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If you were the Sun editor and 2 soldiers had died in a ied attack but also Girls Aloud had split. What would you lead on?

Well, probably the Girls Aloud story as it's the Sun and as editor it's my job to run stories that interest my readers!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Well, probably the Girls Aloud story as it's the Sun and as editor it's my job to run stories that interest my readers!

and there in lies the truth

[Billy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If you were the Sun editor and 2 soldiers had died in a ied attack but also Girls Aloud had split. What would you lead on?

Am I bad for thinking Girls Aloud ?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Billy

I don't think it needs to be lead news all the time, only because I think we should have a more positive outlook on news.

Don't shoot me down for saying that..

No that's a fair point, the only reason I'm jumping on Patrick is basically because he's saying that soldier's dying isn't a big deal. It probably shouldn't always be lead news but I think it should always be reported nonetheless.

As for The Sun question you could have both. If I remember right The Sun usually has a big showbiz story on the top half of the front page and more serious news on the bottom half.

[Billy]

I don't think it needs to be lead news all the time, only because I think we should have a more positive outlook on news.

Don't shoot me down for saying that..

[teamandre]

they are fighthing for there countery and fags come on here and dissrespect them well they deserve to be shot they fighting for you so have some *******king respect you w***ers

[teamandre]

no i just respect the soliders that have died for us so have some ******ing respect you wouldnt like it if some one in your familie was a solider and got killed would you no so have some respect man

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by teamandre

no i just respect the soliders that have died for us so have some ******ing respect you wouldnt like it if some one in your familie was a solider and got killed would you no so have some respect man

That was not the original question and nobody would disagree with your thought of respect. I believe the point of the question is whether 2 killed in Afghanistan doing their chosen profession should merit a headline rather than 23 died from neglect/inadequate NHS funding last night

[teamandre]

okay i get your point there both in the same lege i gess but thats the gorvements falt about the NHS funding these men have died out of respect taking a risk on there on their life and dieing trying to make this world a better place and when people die from neglect then it would be on the news to so and i was going to join the army/RAF so thats why im so ******ed of with people on here disrecpecting but i carnt join becuse of my car acdident so knowing that i could have gone out there fighting for people out there and their not bothered and being disrespectful pissses me of !