[Billy]

Keep going JJ, it's only going to make your eviction sweeter.

[Angus]

At least Ben does have his own UNIQUE style unlike the bleached blond male bimbo who has to impersonate a middle-aged footballer to get any attention.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by angus58

At least Ben does have his own UNIQUE style unlike the bleached blond male bimbo who has to impersonate a middle-aged footballer to get any attention.

Middle-aged footballer... OH MY GOD! You mean David Beckham! Shoot me, someone.

[Jordan.]

John is an idiot.

[joeysteele]

John James is creepy,he has something wrong with his thinking, he alwasy wants to argue round people but alone he with someone he is different, he has a short fuse and a dangerous one too.
Ben should steer clear of this oddball,actually I think JJ either fancies Ben or Mario,I cant work out which,he is jealous of them being close. I also think he is a woman hater the way he snarls at them and goes on and on and on.

[chuff me dizzy]

I am a fan of them both ,and JJ is messing with Ben ,no malice ,the only people with knives in Ben are Nathan and Bens best mate Dave

[Legend killer]

Ben fans really annoy me he has been bitching about JJ for a week now and as soon as he says the slightest thing to ben they start complaining

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

Ben fans really annoy me he has been bitching about JJ for a week now and as soon as he says the slightest thing to ben they start complaining

What has BEN said about JJ that is wrong then? ,prepare to be annoyed as JJ disses Ben of at every oportunity and TRIES to make him look small,but he fails miserably

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ben is an idiot as well though and I do think that JJ has a point, JJs problem is that he has very valid points usually but he's not the best for expressing them. He goes too far which in turn invalidates, the originally valid point, If you catch my drift!

I mean he is right, Ben is lazy and selfish, he isn't a team player. Yes everyone is an individual but not pulling your weight in a group situation is not a good trait to have.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Ben is an idiot as well though and I do think that JJ has a point, JJs problem is that he has very valid points usually but he's not the best for expressing them. He goes too far which in turn invalidates, the originally valid point, If you catch my drift!

I mean he is right, Ben is lazy and selfish, he isn't a team player. Yes everyone is an individual but not pulling your weight in a group situation is not a good trait to have.

The problem with Ben vs JJ is two fold I think.

1) I think that its a case of JJ basing his views on morales, honesty, and mutual dependance, and Ben basing his on manipulation, lies, and selfishness. They are polar opposites in how they see themselves in society and have very different empathy levels for those around them. The problem is though that it's JJ's view that is increasingly unfashionable in Western culture, while the selfish lazy me me view of Ben is growing (mainly because it's the easy don't give a crap option), so Ben is seen as right often in the eyes of many.

2) JJ obviously has problems expressing himself, and is obviously less intelligent then Ben, so it is easy for Ben to maintain the high ground of remaining calm, which many see as an automatic 'win'. Many of JJs points are based on decency and friendship, and he emotionally cares deeply about them, but he loses debates with Ben because he stays calm as he just has no emotional investment in the argument because he dosent give a **** about those things.

Everything Ben does is a cold intellectual excercise, everything JJ does comes from the heart.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The problem with Ben vs JJ is two fold I think.

1) I think that its a case of JJ basing his views on morales, honesty, and mutual dependance, and Ben basing his on manipulation, lies, and selfishness. They are polar opposites in how they see themselves in society and have very different empathy levels for those around them. The problem is though that it's JJ's view that is increasingly unfashionable in Western culture, while the selfish lazy me me view of Ben is growing (mainly because it's the easy don't give a crap option), so Ben is seen as right often in the eyes of many.

2) JJ obviously has problems expressing himself, and is obviously less intelligent then Ben, so it is easy for Ben to maintain the high ground of remaining calm, which many see as an automatic 'win'. Many of JJs points are based on decency and friendship, and he emotionally cares deeply about them, but he loses debates with Ben because he stays calm as he just has no emotional investment in the argument because he dosent give a **** about those things.

Everything Ben does is a cold intellectual excercise, everything JJ does comes from the heart.

And Josie always takes anyone's side but her "mate" JJ. She loves rubbishing and mocking him publicly but one on one she shows a different face.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by ange7

And Josie always takes anyone's side but her "mate" JJ. She loves rubbishing and mocking him publicly but one on one she shows a different face.

this thread wasnt about Josie. make another one and I will be glad to talk about your point.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by vesavius

this thread wasnt about Josie. make another one and I will be glad to talk about your point.

mahahahaha
thought not :P

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The problem with Ben vs JJ is two fold I think.

1) I think that its a case of JJ basing his views on morales, honesty, and mutual dependance, and Ben basing his on manipulation, lies, and selfishness. They are polar opposites in how they see themselves in society and have very different empathy levels for those around them. The problem is though that it's JJ's view that is increasingly unfashionable in Western culture, while the selfish lazy me me view of Ben is growing (mainly because it's the easy don't give a crap option), so Ben is seen as right often in the eyes of many.

2) JJ obviously has problems expressing himself, and is obviously less intelligent then Ben, so it is easy for Ben to maintain the high ground of remaining calm, which many see as an automatic 'win'. Many of JJs points are based on decency and friendship, and he emotionally cares deeply about them, but he loses debates with Ben because he stays calm as he just has no emotional investment in the argument because he dosent give a **** about those things.

Everything Ben does is a cold intellectual excercise, everything JJ does comes from the heart.

Yeah, I agree completely, great post btw

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Ben is an idiot as well though and I do think that JJ has a point, JJs problem is that he has very valid points usually but he's not the best for expressing them. He goes too far which in turn invalidates, the originally valid point, If you catch my drift!

I mean he is right, Ben is lazy and selfish, he isn't a team player. Yes everyone is an individual but not pulling your weight in a group situation is not a good trait to have.

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

Australia is a real country last time I checked!

[ange7]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

"Well thank God I live in England" lol
you should tour this stand up routine of yours.... ( but like you said ... not in OZ hehe)

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

its just a clash of diffrent cultures, the aussie women are generally more macho as well than the brits.

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

They should put note in travel brochures for Oz "Don't foget to get extra travel insurance incase the locals decide you're a "nancy boy" and decide to kick your head in".

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Speedster

They should put note in travel brochures for Oz "Don't foget to get extra travel insurance incase the locals decide you're a "nancy boy" and decide to kick your head in".

now now, don't judge all Australians by one HM!

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

now now, don't judge all Australians by one HM!

I'm sorry I wasn't being intentionally racist, it's just My silly sense of humour. I have a couple of Australian friends, they're both nice guys.

Again, very sorry to sound offensive, I was just messing around.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Speedster

They should put note in travel brochures for Oz "Don't foget to get extra travel insurance incase the locals decide you're a "nancy boy" and decide to kick your head in".

rubbish ... Sydney's gay community is huge. Nothing to do with Ben being a "nancy boy". It's about people who think they deserve privileges due to birth. Toffs wouldn't last a second in OZ. They'd be like "hey do you know who I am!" and we'd be like "yeah your the butler form (add crap Hollywood movie with a pompous English butler here)."

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by ange7

rubbish ... Sydney's gay community is huge. Nothing to do with Ben being a "nancy boy". It's about people who think they deserve privileges due to birth. Toffs wouldn't last a second in OZ. They'd be like "hey do you know who I am!" and we'd be like "yeah your the butler form (add crap Hollywood movie with a pompous English butler here)."

I'm sorry like I said to someone else, it was just my silly sense of humour.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

You've never actually been to Australia. Have you.