[BBfan46]

Christianity is complex, it's one's individual interpretation of the Bible's teachings. I've found a way to see God's support of homosexuality through the Bible.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by BBfan46

Christianity is complex, it's one's individual interpretation of the Bible's teachings. I've found a way to see God's support of homosexuality through the Bible.

Too right... just look at the sort of stuff that got painted for the Catholic church in Italy.

[eviled2010]

I don't think Dave has the courage of his convictions.
I think it is pretty obvious he is dead against alternative lifestyles but knows how unpopular he would be if he came right out and said it.
He is actually letting "his side" down.

[chuff me dizzy]

On lf just now after her had been moaning to Ben about Keeva bugging him about religion ,keeva walked and Dave went straight into Jesus lover mode ,trouble causer

[eviled2010]

I think Dave is using the old "Love the sinner, hate the sin" defense,
Bit if a cop out if you ask me.

[JustSkipIt]

Originally Posted by eviled2010

I think Dave is using the old "Love the sinner, hate the sin" defense,
Bit if a cop out if you ask me.

Not sure why this would be a cop out - makes sense to me.

Besides, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in the Christian faith that condems same-sex relationships, just sodomy. Not the same thing.

[smudgie]

He has a point when he says he would/could not marry gay people. I don't think he is bona fida enough to marry anyone as he is the head of his own "church", I could well be wrong though so don't shoot me if I am.

[BB_Eye]

Just as long as Dave isn't the sort of twat who sends complaints to the board of Heinz for their "sick, debauched" mayonnaise advert, I have no problem with him.

[fruit_cake]

Caoimhe has caught dave out and he doesn't like it so he calls her negative

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Caoimhe has caught dave out and he doesn't like it so he calls her negative

Rubbish - she doesn't like Dave and is just trying to cause an argument - he is rising above it and not giving her what she wants!

[Lex]

I am probably the least religious person on the planet!.....And am only a Dave fan intermitantly!....'I'm off him just now'....But I thought that he handled 'the Vipers' latest attempt to poison his popularity , by attacking his weak point....with great aplomb!!

Hope that he noticed that it was that 'sly-public-fooling Josie' that instigated and tried to prolong this 'failed attack!'!

She's Good!!.....Quaver was'nt even wearing a robot suit!....But she still managed to wind her up....and stand back to admire her handywork!!

[Livia]

I found Caoimhe to be very confrontational. She didn't want a discussion, she wanted an argument. She wanted Dave to say what she believes that he believes so she could tell him how wrong he is. I believe the OP got Dave's stance perfectly right. I don't personally believe the same thing, but I'm happy for him to believe it.

[Peter Plunker]

Dave was always going to be a focal point for the HM's and the viewing publics problems/misunderstandings with Christianity. Dave knew that before he went in. He doesn't however respond to cynicism. He talks to Ben and Mario about stuff because they are genuine in their questioning even if they still disagree. Caoimhe already knows the answers to the questions she's asking, she's just trying to be controversial

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

Dave was always going to be a focal point for the HM's and the viewing publics problems/misunderstandings with Christianity. Dave knew that before he went in. He doesn't however respond to cynicism. He talks to Ben and Mario about stuff because they are genuine in their questioning even if they still disagree. Caoimhe already knows the answers to the questions she's asking, she's just trying to be controversial

I understand Christianity fully. I'm American, and I was once evangelical/"born again". Dave is an utter hypocrite, but no one is knowledgeable enough on the subject to properly question him.

How many verses against homosexuality? At most, 7. Realistically, about 4. How many verses about women not talking/cutting their hair? More than double. How many verses about not eating pork/shellfish? More than triple.

Any Christian that has a HUGE PROBLEM with homosexual marriage is cherry-picking the Bible based on the society of their time, and their view has nearly nothing to do with their holy book. Not that I fully blame Dave, I doubt he's even read the Old Testament. And at least he's (mostly) cherry-picking the nice bits.

[Peter Plunker]

Originally Posted by stonedape

I understand Christianity fully. I'm American, and I was once evangelical/"born again"

Dave isn't being hypocritical. You're showing an astute lack of understanding of the new testament if you are brining mosaic law into the equation.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

Dave isn't being hypocritical. You're showing an astute lack of understanding of the new testament if you are brining mosaic law into the equation.

Do explain this "MOSAIC" law.

That's Old Testament isn't it, not something the New Ecstatics believe in.

[Peter Plunker]

Originally Posted by fingers

Do explain this "MOSAIC" law.

That's Old Testament isn't it, not something the New Ecstatics believe in.

The Mosaic law is the old testament law as given to Moses. To get an understanding of how the law in the OT was fulfilled read the book of Hebrews and Romans, try reading 'The Message' version, it's written in modern language that is much easier to understand.

[JEJ]

I agree with what Wombai has said.

I'm actually starting to like Dave now.

[Peter Plunker]

PS, The new Ecstatics is just the name of Dave's ministry, all ministires have a name for many reasons, it's not a cult or a religion, it's just a name. Dave has close relationships and is accountable to a wide range of people and ministers from a very wide range of Christian churches both denominational and non-denominational.

I really don't want to seem like some fanatical weirdo cult follower. Dave is my friend, it's hard to see lies written about one of your best mates and not respond, even if it's just to clarify some stuff. Feel free to dislike Dave but be make sure you're being truthful when you dislike him.

[karezza]

Homosexuality is anti-Christian & a violation of natural law - Josie is a evil stirrer.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by karezza

Homosexuality is anti-Christian & a violation of natural law - Josie is a evil stirrer.

Sounds to me as if Josie is just repeating what she thinks young voters want to hear - being seen to say the 'right' thing! Still not sure about her!

[monx]

I do not dislike Dave I find him quite pleasant as a housemate and he has been a great comfort to other housemates when they have been having a bad time.

I do get nervous however when anyone asks him about his faith because you can see he is conflicted on the one hand he wants to spout the scripture as confirmation of his beliefs but at the same time he is aware that some of these beliefs are not popular.

I do think that Keeva was being vexatious and was hoping for a great religious debate where she could give her conflicting view on every point he made, and his response was at least adult and didnt inflame the situation. She did come across ignorant to the fact that he was a born again Christian and not Roman Catholic.

That being said, I do think if you are going to come onto a reality show like Big Brother and announce that you are a practicing born again Christian, read scripture daily and "get drunk on God's love" then you will have to expect some degree of interest and may have to explain some of the things you believe in, and explaining doesnt mean justyfying.

He has every right to worship any way he wants but if he is going to "prophetise" his particular faith he needs to be comfortable answering difficult questions about it. It may be that Ife is a Zoastran or Corrin is a Wicca white witch but because they are not discussing it and making it an issue no one is challenging them about it.