[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

How can it be a fix though? Cheryl said she'd have taken it to deadlock had she been last to vote. Plus can nobody remember the crap TV companies got into for vote fixing a year or two ago? Theres no way they can get away with that now

Its not fixing the actual public vote though.

And yes, cheryl said she would take it to deadlock...so her vote was disallowed. Thats my point, obviously cheryl wouldnt have wanted to kick one of her own acts out, obviously she would take it to deadlock...which is WHY they went to her second instead of last. The judge with two acts always goes last, so they have the chance of deadlock. But this week, I think katie got the least votes, so they panicked. Knowing full well cheryl would take it to deadlock

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't really see how it's 'fixing the result' though. If Cheryl wanted to vote she could have, and let's say she sent home Katie following Simon sending home TreyC, and then Dannii sent home Katie and then Louis sent home TreyC [which is what happened, bar Cheryl's hypothetical vote] - then it would've been Deadlock. Or, Cheryl could've voted to send home TreyC, that would've meant two votes for her, Dannii could've/would've sent home Katie, and then Louis could have done the same also giving Deadlock.

Oh god.

It is fixing it, by making her pick second instead of last...LIKE ALWAYS HAPPENS.

She couldnt have made her vote, as she said she wanted to take it to deadlock. She could not have picked one second, that wouldnt guarantee that it went to deadlock :S

Yes, hypothetically(now that we know the results), she could have voted for katie, to make it deadlock, but she didnt know how the other judges were going to vote did she? I didnt see her crystal ball sitting on the table there...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Novo

Well Unlucky she is here for another week

well it's quite obvious the public hate her, so once it's taken out of the judges hands or she's up against someone decent she's toast

[Kerry]

Still doesn't discount the fact that they don't HAVE to vote. If time runs out they don't vote. If they refuse (obviously) they don't vote. Theres never been a rule that they HAVE to vote. Can no one remember Simon not voting before? Louis hasn't voted before and Sharon Osbourne on one the talent shows hasn't voted before. Not once has it been ever said the judges HAVE to

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Still doesn't discount the fact that they don't HAVE to vote. If time runs out they don't vote. If they refuse (obviously) they don't vote. Theres never been a rule that they HAVE to vote. Can no one remember Simon not voting before? Louis hasn't voted before and Sharon Osbourne on one the talent shows hasn't voted before. Not once has it been ever said the judges HAVE to

Everyone seems to be totally missing the point.

Everytime there is two acts of the same mentor in the bottom, the mentor gets to pick last, and to my recollection always choses to take it to deadlock.

This week that was changed, for seemingly no reason...

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Everyone seems to be totally missing the point.

Everytime there is two acts of the same mentor in the bottom, the mentor gets to pick last, and to my recollection always choses to take it to deadlock.

This week that was changed, for seemingly no reason...

OK I get you. Just making the point that she didn't have to vote. There seems to be some vendetta against her for not doing so.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

LOL

Zippy, once again, loses sight of the big picture and just decides to praise Cheryl.

My thread is specifically about Cheryls decision..duh.

She did the honourable thing and fck whatever rules there are about a judge having to make a decision. She didnt need to go 2nd so she had every right to refuse to be forced.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh god.

It is fixing it, by making her pick second instead of last...LIKE ALWAYS HAPPENS.

She couldnt have made her vote, as she said she wanted to take it to deadlock. She could not have picked one second, that wouldnt guarantee that it went to deadlock :S

Yes, hypothetically(now that we know the results), she could have voted for katie, to make it deadlock, but she didnt know how the other judges were going to vote did she? I didnt see her crystal ball sitting on the table there...

Fair enough - but she had already lost her vote anyway by refusing to vote. Dermot [and Konnie later] explained that. As far as I remember, she said 'I'll take it to Deadlock' after he'd stated that it was then a 'majority vote'. Even if it wasn't after - there must be a rule in which states if a Judge refuses to vote, they lose their vote.

I don't think there's an alterior motive behind any of this anyway, I expect it was probably a mistake and they just rushed from right to left along the panel without thinking it through [they were running out of time anyway].

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

OK I get you. Just making the point that she didn't have to vote. There seems to be some vendetta against her for not doing so.

Yeah, I was raging at her to start with for not voting. until I realised it was totally unfair the way that the order of it all changed this week.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Still doesn't discount the fact that they don't HAVE to vote. If time runs out they don't vote. If they refuse (obviously) they don't vote. Theres never been a rule that they HAVE to vote. Can no one remember Simon not voting before? Louis hasn't voted before and Sharon Osbourne on one the talent shows hasn't voted before. Not once has it been ever said the judges HAVE to

But what's being argued is that it was all part of the plan. Go to Cheryl second, take her vote out of the equation; then it's down to a majority vote, no option for deadlock, which the producers knew TreyC would win because Katie finished last. Not that I know that, that's just the highly plausible, IMHO, explanation that's being posited.

[Jords]

I agree to a point, but she should have stuck to her guns and gone to DEADLOCK at the end.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

OK I get you. Just making the point that she didn't have to vote. There seems to be some vendetta against her for not doing so.

it's not about Cheryl though Kerry, it's about who ever told Dermot to go to Cheryl second rather than last as would be normal procedure for the judge with 2 acts in the bottom

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Fair enough - but she had already lost her vote anyway by refusing to vote. Dermot [and Konnie later] explained that. As far as I remember, she said 'I'll take it to Deadlock' after he'd stated that it was then a 'majority vote'. Even if it wasn't after - there must be a rule in which states if a Judge refuses to vote, they lose their vote.

I don't think there's an alterior motive behind any of this anyway, I expect it was probably a mistake and they just rushed from right to left along the panel without thinking it through [they were running out of time anyway].

Because they came to her second, instead of last like they ALWAYS do if a mentor has two acts in the bottom...

IF she had been last to vote, she would have took it to deadlock, she even said for the others to vote first THEN let her have her vote, which is what is done any other week.

Yes, there is a CHANCE that it was a mistake, just seems too well timed tbh

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

But what's being argued is that it was all part of the plan. Go to Cheryl second, take her vote out of the equation; then it's down to a majority vote, no option for deadlock, which the producers knew TreyC would win because Katie finished last. Not that I know that, that's just the highly plausible, IMHO, explanation that's being posited.

exactly, everyone seems to be completely missing the point here!

[Kerry]

I'm normally the first to think these things are fixed and would agree totally here but IMO I really don't think tonights has been. I just can't see a TV company risking it after all the crap a year or so ago. I respect that many may think it is though

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Zippy

My thread is specifically about Cheryls decision..duh.

She did the honourable thing and fck whatever rules there are about a judge having to make a decision. She didnt need to go 2nd so she had every right to refuse to be forced.

The honourable thing? Thats a first for her.

[Jords]

DEADLOCK is an exciting word.

Zippy, Im sending you to.... DEADLOCK.

[Zippy]

Can I just say;

BOTH ACTS GOT THE LEAST VOTES FROM THE PUBLIC.

just reminding you while you get so carried away with conspiracy theories. They are both dispensable and unpopular clearly so does it really matter which goes first? The other will go soon enough.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

it's not about Cheryl though Kerry, it's about who ever told Dermot to go to Cheryl second rather than last as would be normal procedure for the judge with 2 acts in the bottom

But people are slating her for it (or were)

[fruit_cake]

I thought it was a cock up that suited them in the end so they never said anything.. If it had been a cock up in TreyC's favour, they'd have asked Cheryl to take it too deadlock

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Can I just say;

BOTH ACTS GOT THE LEAST VOTES FROM THE PUBLIC.

just reminding you while you get so carried away with conspiracy theories. They are both dispensable and unpopular clearly so does it really matter which goes first? The other will go soon enough.

I know that, neither would win, and whoever stays will likely be in the bottom next week anyways.

But why on earth change the voting order and make cheryl look a **** when she (quite rightly) refused to vote until the end, and wanted to take it to deadlock like any other judge with two acts in the bottom would. I at first was raging at cheryl, until I clicked on that it was unfair to expect her to go second, when it has never been done before in that situation...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

But people are slating her for it (or were)

not in this thread though, I wouldn't blame her at all for what she did, it's just why did they do it that way is the question? if not to avoid deadlock

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Jords

DEADLOCK is an exciting word.

Zippy, Im sending you to.... DEADLOCK.

Im still recovering from the shock of you calling me evil way back...now you send me to deadlock?

We were like brothers once...

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

not in this thread though, I wouldn't blame her at all for what she did, it's just why did they do it that way is the question? if not to avoid deadlock

Vicky just admitted she was raging with Cheryl at first



Anyway, not going to argue about a TV show. It's an entertainment show and thats what it provides. Good, bad or ugly. The good will get record deals either way

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Vicky just admitted she was raging with Cheryl at first



Anyway, not going to argue about a TV show. It's an entertainment show and thats what it provides. Good, bad or ugly. The good will get record deals either way

yes, at first I was. And then I realised what was said in my OP :S