[Stu]

Those damn do gooders! Always trying to do good!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Stu

Those damn do gooders! Always trying to do good!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Stu

Those damn do gooders! Always trying to do good!

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

[InOne]

Well I'm sure he will be closely watched, and they know the signs to look out for. There isn't really that much information on the case or his upbringing, or what he's done for two years. The the fact he pleaded "not guilty" surely says something. If he's in for say 20 years and let out it could end up even worse.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well I'm sure he will be closely watched, and they know the signs to look out for. There isn't really that much information on the case or his upbringing, or what he's done for two years. The the fact he pleaded "not guilty" surely says something. If he's in for say 20 years and let out it could end up even worse.

I imagine he didn't handle his own legal case.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Stu

I imagine he didn't handle his own legal case.

Seems an odd plea though, why would they let him? That is the reason why he got life. Obviously he didn't handle it all himself but he must've made the decision to go with that even if it was against their will.

[Stu]

Couldn't tell you, TBH. His legal team obviously thought he might have gotten away with it or that the sentencing could have went different or something. I didn't follow the case so I can't say for sure.

Tis happened before though.

[Beastie]

He should have pleaded guilty to the case if he actually did it. Mmm.. life imprisonment for an 11 year old does sound harsh. However.. when is the age for a child to know the difference between right or wrong?? I think most children know the difference between right and wrong at the age of 10. 10 is when you can get an Asbo. It depends how he was brought up though. I was lucky to be brought up okay.
It's the curcumstances of how and why he shot his father's pregnant fiance. However like someone just posted.. after 2 years of this terrible crime he is showing no remorse? Seems like he knew what he was doing then and shouldn't be let out.
At 11 he should be in a rehabilitation centre. At 18 they should retrial him or something. Depending how he is at 18 should determine how long he gets in prison. If he shows NO remorse what so ever then when he is 18 he should be then sentenced to life imprisonment. If at 18, and over the years since he was 11 he has been looked at and analysed carefully and is a changed man then his jail sentece should be shorter.

Rehabilitation and extensive mental therapy and all that is what he needs now.

[InOne]

Apprently he was jealous of the fiance and her kids.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by InOne

Apprently he was jealous of the fiance and her kids.

Oh damn. I am not surprised he was jealous. He shot the fiance in a moment of anger. Well he obviously planned to kill her out of anger but needs to be taught that is not what you do when you are angry with someone. At 13 he is showing no remorse and has not learnt that it was wrong to kill his father's fiance. Has he even said sorry yet?? From the looks of things looks like it may be life imprisonment after all. I hope the workers in the rehabilitation centre, psychiatrists and mental health therapists are doing all they can to change him. There is only so much you can do. And if at 18 he is still an arrogant sod with no remorse then he deserves life imprisonment.

He has a chance to change himself NOW.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Oh damn. I am not surprised he was jealous. He shot the fiance in a moment of anger. Well he obviously planned to kill her out of anger but needs to be taught that is not what you do when you are angry with someone. At 13 he is showing no remorse and has not learnt that it was wrong to kill his father's fiance. Has he even said sorry yet?? From the looks of things looks like it may be life imprisonment after all. I hope the workers in the rehabilitation centre, psychiatrists and mental health therapists are doing all they can to change him. There is only so much you can do. And if at 18 he is still an arrogant sod with no remorse then he deserves life imprisonment.

He has a chance to change himself NOW.

He has a chance, unfortunately the two people he killed have no more chances. That is my main problem with rehabilitation, especially in adults, why should they be given the right to change and turn their life around when they've taken someone elses life away? Now ok maybe for an 11 year old the same rules shouldn't apply but If he ever really was properly rehabilitated how would he ever live with he had done?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by angus58

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

And tired old phrases are the height of it, you virtuoso?

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That is my main problem with rehabilitation, especially in adults, why should they be given the right to change and turn their life around when they've taken someone elses life away?

Because somehting positive could come out of it? Because if it is possible - and stripping hyper emotional vengeance and redemption yearnings out of the way - it's much better to rehabilitate someone into a helpful, remorseful member of society than to just put them in a small enclosed area for the rest of their lives?

This stirct, non compromising eye for an eye attitude when it comes to people views on the justice system never ceases to amaze me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

And tired old phrases are the height of it, you virtuoso?


Because somehting positive could come out of it? Because if it is possible - and stripping hyper emotional vengeance and redemption yearnings out of the way - it's much better to rehabilitate someone into a helpful, remorseful member of society than to just put them in a small enclosed area for the rest of their lives?

This stirct, non compromising eye for an eye attitude when it comes to people views on the justice system never ceases to amaze me.

I'm pretty sure if it was a relative/friend of yours murdered, your kind and helpful attitude towards the person who did it may change a bit. Good for you for being so forgiving, I'm not.

[MTVN]

There's very little info on the case for us to make a judgement tbh

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There's very little info on the case for us to make a judgement tbh

But seen as we're here we may as well

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by InOne

But seen as we're here we may as well

True But where does it say that he hasnt showed any remorse, I couldnt see it mentioned in the article, or did it say somewhere else?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

True But where does it say that he hasnt showed any remorse, I couldnt see it mentioned in the article, or did it say somewhere else?

It's the fact he pleaded "not guilty" which sorta spelt out to the judge he showed no remorse. And he's been there for 2 years, so he must've talked to therapists and that. Also the nature of the crime, cold and callous.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There's very little info on the case for us to make a judgement tbh

This. I am just making a judgement on what we know though.

[InOne]

That is why they should be allowed to diagnose Children as Psychopaths, at the moment it's not allowed.

[lostalex]

The kid hasn't even been convicted yet, let alone been sentenced. This thread is very misleading.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The kid hasn't even been convicted yet, let alone been sentenced. This thread is very misleading.

Then the heading needs editing.


Feel The Force.

[Shaun]

I didn't mean to kill the debate with something personal and sensitive LOL

And ah, I mistook you for those who did, sorry

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I didn't mean to kill the debate with something personal and sensitive LOL

And ah, I mistook you for those who did, sorry

well, having gone through something like this on the victims side it's good to hear your feelings on it, I'm only guessing how I may or may not feel in that situation

[Zippy]

Utterly ridiculous to impose that kind of sentence on a child that young. Shows a total lack of humanity.

If anybody can be rehabilitated its a young child. He could potentially go on to be a positive force in society with proper guidance and education. Why waste two lives when one can be salvaged?

And I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished. If guilty he should serve a lengthy sentence. But forever is one hell of a long time and I see no need for it. A very bad child can make a very good adult.

[bananarama]

Firstly lets get rid of the sentimental twaddle about him being young, poor thing to young to realize and so and so.....Utter twaddle...

11 years old......Indeed old enough to know what he was doing

An adult crime deserves an adult sentence. Just what this crime riddled drugs mania country needs.

Those that mutter on about rehabilitation. Why oh why should society spend any more money on a cold blooded killer when other more deserving parts of society are crying out for money....

Society should not even wast public money on long jail sentences.....There are deserving people who need services to be spent on them instead of being wasted on trash......