[BB_Eye]

I don't think there should be an absolute limit on the time of the abortion, but that different circumstances should be considered.

I'd like to think a good GP would refuse any such consultation unless all other options would mean serious harm to the mother.

I think the system is fine as it is.

[Rob]

I'm against it, unless you get information that having the baby would pose a large risk to your life or it would be born severely disabled.

[Jessica.]

I think abortion is murder.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I think abortion is murder.

No thats the way you are brought up.


It is Legal.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

No thats the way you are brought up.


It is Legal.

This is so true Arista. some may view it as murder as that is their belief.


Personal opinions and belief is not the same as what is legal in the UK and many other countries - so you are infact, correct. It is not murder.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

This is so true Arista. some may view it as murder as that is their belief.


Personal opinions and belief is not the same as what is legal in the UK and many other countries - so you are infact, correct. It is not murder.

It's not just a belief, I'm not religious or anything, it's a life, then it is a murder, then there is no life. Simple.

[Liberty4eva]

At this time I don't have a lot of time to write my opinion so I'll refer you to this video. I subscribe to this guy's opinion on abortion.

Youtube video

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

It's not just a belief, I'm not religious or anything, it's a life, then it is a murder, then there is no life. Simple.

The Law clearly disagrees with you.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by arista

No thats the way you are brought up.


It is Legal.

It's nothing to do with how I was brought up, I form my own views and opinions.

[Grimnir]

Murder is wrong
Once a baby has developed in the womb it should never be aborted
If the woman does not want the baby there are plenty of couples who want to adopt babies as they cannot have babies of their own

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

Murder is wrong
Once a baby has developed in the womb it should never be aborted
If the woman does not want the baby there are plenty of couples who want to adopt babies as they cannot have babies of their own

you can't just expect the people who don't want their baby, to go through the pregnancy and birth though.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

Murder is wrong
Once a baby has developed in the womb it should never be aborted
If the woman does not want the baby there are plenty of couples who want to adopt babies as they cannot have babies of their own

So what? Why should any woman have to go through 9 months of pregnancy which, in case you're not aware, is not always just plain sailing for some, and then the pain and trauma of childbirth (in itself a dangerous event for mother and baby), just to hand the baby over to some random stranger? And we're not talking about "once a baby has developed in the womb" abortions - because those would be what's termed "viable", but about abortions carried out in the earlier stages when it is still a fetus. It is just your own personal belief that you are expressing which is all well and good, but it doesn't give you, or anyone else, the right to compel a woman to carry a baby to full term.

I sadly had 4 miscarriages, all before 15 weeks, so I know full well what a fetus at that gestational age looks like and I don't intend to be graphic about it. It was easier for me to deal with the pain of the loss because the pregnancies were still in the early stages. Each time, I remember envying every pregnant woman I saw, but there is no way in the world that I would have wanted THEIR child.

I used to be very anti abortion when I was younger (having been brought up as a Roman Catholic), but life teaches you that you have to walk in someone else's shoes before you start judging them. I would certainly never have had an abortion myself under any circumstances, but that was MY choice, MY decision and no-one else's.

The fact is that I would only be concerned about women aborting after the 20week mark. There is no need to have such a late abortion since, by that time, the woman has had over 4 months to decide. Once the baby becomes "viable", an abortion shouldn't really be an option unless there is some life threatening reason for the mother.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I think abortion is murder.

I see where your coming from but I think that sometimes its for the best

[Tom.]

Wrong. And the limit needs bringing back to about 15 weeks. If she doesn't realise shes pregnant by then then she doesn't know her body and tough luck if she doesn't want it.

Babies can survive if born at 20 weeks. The abortion limit is 24 weeks, so there is some degree of murder involved imo. Sorry that its an inconvenience but if you don't want to get pregnant then dont have sex. Simple.

[InOne]

It is just a shame that some women have such a disregard for life and use abortion cos they just dont want it at the time or it's the easy option. (I'm not including the legal reasons, Rape, Disability, threat to mothers life etc)

[Tom.]

I also don't like how women have the overall control. If the father doesn't want the baby but the mother does then she gets to keep it and can force him to pay for it even though he doesn't want it, but if she doesn't want it and he does then she can still get rid of it. It might be her body but the baby is just as much a part of him as it is her.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Tom.

I also don't like how women have the overall control. If the father doesn't want the baby but the mother does then she gets to keep it and can force him to pay for it even though he doesn't want it, but if she doesn't want it and he does then she can still get rid of it. It might be her body but the baby is just as much a part of him as it is her.

Much as I can understand totally what you are saying: in reality though: how many 'fathers to be', would say: Have the baby, I will look after it 24/7?

In reality: there really wouldn't be that many - I honestly believe there are very few out there who would.

[InOne]

And it often happens too late. Either she has got rid of the baby and then decides to tell you, or turns up at your door with the baby and says "It's yours, pay for it"

[Vicky.]

I really wonder if some mens opinions on this would change if it was THEIR body they were ruining for life, them who had chances of complications during pregnancy, them who could potentially be left alone to deal with a child that they may not be able to actually support financially or emotionally.

Yeah fair enough, dont want to get pregnant, dont have sex...or use contraception, but its not always as easy as that. Many people do use all methods of contraception, and it still happens sometimes :/

I agree that the limit should be lowered drastically though. 24 weeks is ridiculous.

[Tom.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Much as I can understand totally what you are saying: in reality though: how many 'fathers to be', would say: Have the baby, I will look after it 24/7?

In reality: there really wouldn't be that many - I honestly believe there are very few out there who would.

You can flip that around and ask how many women have kids against the fathers wishes, only to force the father to pay up or have some involvement when they don't want to. Its not fair and easier for women to get out of.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I really wonder if some mens opinions on this would change if it was THEIR body they were ruining for life, them who had chances of complications during pregnancy, them who could potentially be left alone to deal with a child that they may not be able to actually support financially or emotionally.

Yeah fair enough, dont want to get pregnant, dont have sex...or use contraception, but its not always as easy as that. Many people do use all methods of contraception, and it still happens sometimes :/

I agree that the limit should be lowered drastically though. 24 weeks is ridiculous.

If you think contraception will stop you having a baby then you're very naive and shouldn't be having sex. It reduces your chances, but doesn't eliminate it and you need to accept it can still happen.

And even through pregnancy doubts, both mothers and fathers often change their minds and bond with their babies almost straight away whether they wanted it or not.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tom.

You can flip that around and ask how many women have kids against the fathers wishes, only to force the father to pay up or have some involvement when they don't want to. Its not fair and easier for women to get out of.

Paying money is a lot different to the emotional problems of being forced to have a child that you dont want though. Massive difference.

The comparison would be a bit more even if...say...it was legal for a woman to force the man to see a child 24/7 that she had against his wishes.

Originally Posted by Tom.

If you think contraception will stop you having a baby then you're very naive and shouldn't be having sex. It reduces your chances, but doesn't eliminate it and you need to accept it can still happen.

And even through pregnancy doubts, both mothers and fathers often change their minds and bond with their babies almost straight away whether they wanted it or not.

However, some may not. What then?

[Tom.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Paying money is a lot different to the emotional problems of being forced to have a child that you dont want though. Massive difference.

The comparison would be a bit more even if...say...it was legal for a woman to force the man to see a child 24/7 that she had against his wishes.

Courts can enforce similar things.

However, some may not. What then?

And some parents don't take to their babies straight away no matter how excited they were during pregnancy. Should we kill those babies too?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tom.

And some parents don't take to their babies straight away no matter how excited they were during pregnancy. Should we kill those babies too?

Yeah, because thats the same thing isnt it...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Tom.

You can flip that around and ask how many women have kids against the fathers wishes, only to force the father to pay up or have some involvement when they don't want to. Its not fair and easier for women to get out of.

.

the 'flip that around' scenario doesn't quite work though. The mother is the one who cares for the child 90% of the time - if the father isn't interested.

I put it to you earlier in reply to your post about the woman not wanting the child, but the father wanting it- that very very few men would take the baby from birth and have the baby 24/7. I still stand by that.

the flip side above that you mentioned? If the man doesn't want to be a father - he takes responsibility for the contraception. That's not rocket science - takes two you know....if the man doesn't take protection and the woman falls pregnant - he has a responsibility to provide for the child his sperm created if the woman choses not to abort.

[Tom.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

the 'flip that around' scenario doesn't quite work though. The mother is the one who cares for the child 90% of the time - if the father isn't interested.

I put it to you earlier in reply to your post about the woman not wanting the child, but the father wanting it- that very very few men would take the baby from birth and have the baby 24/7. I still stand by that.

the flip side above that you mentioned? If the man doesn't want to be a father - he takes responsibility for the contraception. That's not rocket science - takes two you know....if the man doesn't take protection and the woman falls pregnant - he has a responsibility to provide for the child his sperm created if the woman choses not to abort.

Sometimes the mum wouldn't take 100% responsibility for a child either, and in a lot of cases can force the dads to be involved whether financially or physically. A man has no control over an abortion, so is it really fair that he is dragged into it? Whereas if the woman doesn't want it, she can just get rid and thats it.

I'm not saying that women should be forced by the men to keep the baby, I just don't like how women have full control over it. Other situations i've outlined are just hypothetical.