[rk3388]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Eh I don't really understand what you're saying, you seem to think Athiesm is another structured belief system just like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc. etc. battling it out for religious supremacy

Athiesm is "no religion", why on earth are you trying to make some kind of distinction between the two? It literally means "without Gods", what do you think is the difference between being an "Atheist" and having "no religion"?

k so i know it is NOT a religion
And i stated that i will vote for people no matter what they believe but im trying to look at it from the other side

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by rk3388

k so i know it is NOT a religion
And i stated that i will vote for people no matter what they believe but im trying to look at it from the other side

Well it was just weird that you repeatedly distinguishing between Athiesm and "no religion" when they're the same thing

And the reason it matters is because it seems that a lot of politicians struggle to separate their faith from their politics, especially with the Republican party

[InOne]

Originally Posted by rk3388

Atheism is based on the belief that their is no god is it not ?
That means it can be offensive to others because it was made to oppose other religions
And course it isnt a religion
BTW PEOPLE CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT- i just think if people dont have a religion they should be "no religion"
Also i would vote for people regardless of their beliefs but im just trying to see it from the other perspective which no one else seem to do

So Religious people get offended because people don't believe in their God? Or do they get angry because not everyone is a mindless sheep that lives their lives according to old books and fairy tales?

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by InOne

Or do they get angry because not everyone is a mindless sheep that lives their lives according to old books and fairy tales?

that post is extremely offensive.
Religious people get offended by things that you just said.
I would NEVER say that about someone elses religion like that

[InOne]

Originally Posted by rk3388

that post is extremely offensive.
Religious people get offended by things that you just said.
I would NEVER say that about someone elses religion like that

Offensive to who? You seem to be getting offended for other people.

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by Stu

Even the many crazy ones that beat the shit out of women.

and tell me which religion allows people to hit women or are you just making up facts now ?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by rk3388

and tell me which religion allows people to hit women or are you just making up facts now ?

Islam. But only if they are disobedient to their husband though. So that makes it ok for them.

[BBfanUSA]

It isn't sad that america won't elect an atheist. Most americans are religious. and besides isn't mostly everyone holding a political office around the world belives in some sort of religion?

(I'm American BTW)

[rk3388]

And new atheism is the view that "religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises"
Atheism isnt simply " no religion" all the time, and thats what im saying

[InOne]

Originally Posted by rk3388

And new atheism is the view that "religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises"
Atheism isnt simply " no religion" all the time, and thats what im saying

I'm sure if God is too bothered by it he will strike us down.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rk3388

And new atheism is the view that "religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises"
Atheism isnt simply " no religion" all the time, and thats what im saying

I think what you mean to say is,is that Atheism is a cult.

[Photon]

I see absolutely no reason why religion deserves respect. What, because some people are really fond of it and it makes them feel good?

As an atheist, I don't respect religion because of it's thousands of years of providing divine mandate for barbarism. Now religion seems to be the primary motivating force in the idea that ignorance is just as good as knowledge.

You can worship fairy tales in private and I won't care. The problem is that these fairy tales make bold claims about the natural world that people use to live by, vote by, and judge by. All of our biggest failures as a civilization(rape, torture, slavery, mass murder) are encouraged by countless religious texts, as well as commanded by the deities within them. The Bible says it's okay to take slaves, rape women, kill children, commit genocide, etc. It's disturbing that most Christians don't want to acknowledge this fact, yet they want to claim that the Bible is indeed the irrefutable word of God. I guess most Christians only like God when it applies to what they wan't to believe.

Besides, the healthiest nations in the world on the Human Development Index are the nations with the most atheists(like Norway and Japan). As nations rank lower on the HDI, the percentage of the population that is religious increases.

[lostalex]

Well, in a democratic republic you are electing someone to represent your views in the government. If your views are christian then obviously you'd be more inclined to vote for a christian. Obviously the US is a majority christian country, and that probably won't be changing anytime soon, as the population is becoming more and more Latino, and Latinos tend to be very conservative catholic.

There have been some presidents that were probably atheist or agnostic, like Jefferson and Lincoln, but they still obviously needed to convince people they would represent a christian view point for them while in office and assure them that christian values would not be discriminated against and so would pander to christians a bit.

[Photon]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well, in a democratic republic you are electing someone to represent your views in the government.

Duh? I don't think anyone was unaware of this. The problem that is being pointed out is that these people waste time and stifle progress by voting in politicians who are dedicated to bringing us back to the 1950's.

I don't agree that the Latino population has anything to do with the kinds of religious infiltration in politics this country is dealing with. The Latino population is not really in favor of the GOP because of their stance on immigration and other issues that effect the Latino communities. The GOP is mostly favored in sections of the country where the white population vastly outnumbers all others. Also, the GOP caters to a lot of denominations that hate Catholics(i.e. Latino's).

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Photon

Duh? I don't think anyone was unaware of this. The problem that is being pointed out is that these people waste time and stifle progress by voting in politicians who are dedicated to bringing us back to the 1950's.

I don't agree that the Latino population has anything to do with the kinds of religious infiltration in politics this country is dealing with. The Latino population is not really in favor of the GOP because of their stance on immigration and other issues that effect the Latino communities. The GOP is mostly favored in sections of the country where the white population vastly outnumbers all others. Also, the GOP caters to a lot of denominations that hate Catholics(i.e. Latino's).

I never said Latino's necessarily vote for the GOP (although there is a strong support for the GOP in the Cuban community more than other Latinos), i'm saying though that Democratic candidates also have to advertize their christianity to appeal to the Latino voters, that's why all of the Dem candidates are christian too and that's why even the Dems don't openly support gay marriage yet, even though you know deep down they do. I think if the Dems did nominate an athiest candidate you would see a lot of Latinos flock to the GOP, it would be a godsend (no pun intended) to the Republicans.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bizarrely the current president is an atheist but cannot say so. read some of his literature prior to deciding to run for election...

[nicole_burks]

I don't think it's "disgusting" that we won't elect an atheist.
If you have a country that majority of the people believe in some religion than it's going to be hard to elect an atheist..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by nicole_burks

I don't think it's "disgusting" that we won't elect an atheist.
If you have a country that majority of the people believe in some religion than it's going to be hard to elect an atheist..

That is roughly the same line Americans used to trott out about black skinned humans

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That is roughly the same line Americans used to trott out about black skinned humans

umm, what? What colour is Barack Obama then?? he looks black skinned human to me, so WTF are you talking about?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, what? What colour is Barack Obama then?? he looks black skinned human to me, so WTF are you talking about?

I am of course talking about say 40 years ago, only..

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am of course talking about say 40 years ago, only..

Oh yea, well i agree then, i think people saying an atheist can't be elected are the same people that once said a black man can't be elected to US president. I agree with you on that.

[Livia]

Liberty4eva... as someone sent me your post... Yes you are on it. And actually, I'm not at all thin-skinned. My time is precious and I don't waste it on people with whom I wouldn't dream of mixing in the real world because they're tedious and full of nonsense.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Livia

Liberty4eva... as someone sent me your post... Yes you are on it. And actually, I'm not at all thin-skinned. My time is precious and I don't waste it on people with whom I wouldn't dream of mixing in the real world because they're tedious and full of nonsense.

The beauty of being on someone's ignore list is you can say what you want and they'll never know

Livia, you aren't deceiving anyone and least of all, me. You are thin-skinned. Anyone with 30 people on their ignore list is thin-skinned, almost by definition. Show me someone who has 30 people on their ignore list who isn't thin-skinned and I'll show you a green Martian. You can do whatever you want and ignore whoever you want but to say "your time is precious" yada yada yada is so bulloni. That begs the question why you even come here.

[lily.]

I don't even use my ignore list. :/

To the OP: Do you think it's equally disgusting that our Monarchy is so closely linked with the Church of England?



edit to add: I just noticed there's another thread on that subject... so I'm going there to read it just now..