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Yayita · 28-06-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

sarcasm is the lowest form of it...I judge you like others, on your input on here, suffice to say Im suitably unimpressed....ps Im very rich I dont need to invest in other peoples companies.

Oh Snap! Theres a fight brewing up in here!

Rawrbear · 28-06-2012, 02:33 PM

Caroline should never be evicted, She should stay in that house forever and live their until she wishes to leave.

Yayita · 28-06-2012, 02:39 PM

Caroline is the source of nastiness, she talks ill about others behind their backs and to their faces as well. She picks on people and spreads nastiness to the others and they do the dirty work for her. She is overly glad to see evicted people go and shows no kind of compassion for the people heading for the stairs. She maid Chrises life miserable in the house, calling him all types of names etc etc... I can go on and on.

I seriously dont know how some of you can defend her.

Vanessa · 28-06-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Yayita

Caroline is the source of nastiness, she talks ill about others behind their backs and to their faces as well. She picks on people and spreads nastiness to the others and they do the dirty work for her. She is overly glad to see evicted people go and shows no kind of compassion for the people heading for the stairs. She maid Chrises life miserable in the house, calling him all types of namesvetc etc... I can go on and on.

I seriously obt know how some of you can defend her.

I think she's heavily influenced by Ash. She's easily led. I think she's a spoilt little brat !

Yayita · 28-06-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think she's heavily influenced by Ash. She's easily led. I think she's a spoilt little brat !

Vanessa, Ash is a total Dildo... caroline is smarter at manipulating and being cunning, she picks a person then starts to gossip about them saying vile things about their bodies, looks, speech, intelligence etc... She picks on personal and physical characteristics to hurt people, openly gives them dirty disgusted looks and that is PLAIN EVIL in my book. I cant believe how awefull that must feel. Even if you agree, for example I didnt like how nasty Chris was; but openly saying it and spreading it to others is unkind and unfeeling.

Can you imagine if we all went around saying what we really think to everyone we meet?

Vanessa · 28-06-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Yayita

Vanessa, Ash is a total Dildo... caroline is smarter at manipulating and being cunning, she picks a person then starts to gossip about them saying vile things about their bodies, looks, speech, intelligence etc... She picks on personal and physical characteristics to hurt people, openly gives them dirty disgusted looks and that is PLAIN EVIL in my book. I cant believe how awefull that must feel. Even if you agree, for example I didnt like how nasty Chris was; but openly saying it and spreading it to others is unkind and unfeeling.

Can you imagine if we all went around saying what we really think to everyone we meet?

I agree, but i think Caroline would be nicer if she wasn't in Team Towie.

hijaxers · 28-06-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

I agree, but i think Caroline would be nicer if she wasn't in Team Towie.

What rubbish ! Caroline ain't being influenced by anyone - shes her own team. I hope her parents are totally ashamed of what they've produced ! Cos IT sure ain't nice and i pity anyone who comes across this vile, nasty piece of work. Talk about shallow

hijaxers · 28-06-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

I agree, but i think Caroline would be nicer if she wasn't in Team Towie.

What rubbish ! Caroline ain't being influenced by anyone - shes her own team. I hope her parents are totally ashamed of what they've produced ! Cos IT sure ain't nice and i pity anyone who comes across this vile, nasty piece of work. Talk about shallow and no substance whatsoever.

WozMan · 28-06-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think she's heavily influenced by Ash. She's easily led. I think she's a spoilt little brat !

Remember she is also constantly ragging on her parents as well. I would definitely surmise bitching is her default behaviour!

rinkydinkpanther · 28-06-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Yayita

Caroline is the source of nastiness, she talks ill about others behind their backs and to their faces as well. She picks on people and spreads nastiness to the others and they do the dirty work for her. She is overly glad to see evicted people go and shows no kind of compassion for the people heading for the stairs. She maid Chrises life miserable in the house, calling him all types of names etc etc... I can go on and on.

I seriously dont know how some of you can defend her.

agreed. But matthew here things such behaviour makes a person interesting? same with shiv and ash who chose to mock and laugh at adams body and moobs as he tried to exercise...matthew found that also totally acceptable.. I find it unacceptable unpleasant nasty and boring. I agree with you 100%

Yayita · 28-06-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

agreed. But matthew here things such behaviour makes a person interesting? same with shiv and ash who chose to mock and laugh at adams body and moobs as he tried to exercise...matthew found that also totally acceptable.. I find it unacceptable unpleasant nasty and boring. I agree with you 100%

I agree with you Rinky, even if once in a while you think those things, it isnt humane to say them out loud and hurt people. Mathew and I have already discussed his like of Caroline, unfortunate. You can be posh and not be evil, most of the posh people I know are actually quite nice and educated.

Lasagne · 29-06-2012, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Yayita

Caroline is the source of nastiness, she talks ill about others behind their backs and to their faces as well. She picks on people and spreads nastiness to the others and they do the dirty work for her. She is overly glad to see evicted people go and shows no kind of compassion for the people heading for the stairs. She maid Chrises life miserable in the house, calling him all types of names etc etc... I can go on and on.

I seriously dont know how some of you can defend her.

Exactly! How some of you don't see what a repulsive, snooty bully she is, is beyond me.
She has convinced herself that she isn't a bully. She thinks that by approaching a victim after one of her vicious attacks to apologise makes it all OK again.
She's a fan of saying others 'need to grow up'..... Oh, the irony!
Her parents must be so utterly ashamed.
Please, please people. Anyone who is 'loving' this effort of a human being, OPEN YOUR EYES!
Rant over (although I could go on for a lot longer).

Favourites - Adam, Deana, Luke A
Least - Caroline, Aaron (girls who support him need to get past his pretty face and see the uglyness beneath) and Conor, who is an aggressive caveman.

rinkydinkpanther · 28-06-2012, 03:09 PM

you actively support bullying and discrimination , that seems nasty and dangerous so I choose to illustrate the type of bigotry you support in order that people here and readers can see how some people like yourself actively support bullying and discrimination. It is not a petty issue, its a profoundly deep and important one. Sadly you cannot see how important this issue is. you just find it harmless entertainment.Tell me matthew, as you support the fact ash and shiv mocked another persons body whilst they exercised, have you ever pointed at and laughed at and mocked another persons body or weight or disabilities in your own life?

MatthewS · 28-06-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

you actively support bullying and discrimination , that seems nasty and dangerous so I choose to illustrate the type of bigotry you support in order that people here and readers can see how some people like yourself actively support bullying and discrimination.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but I'll entertain this for now...

I suggest you look at the definitions of bullying and discrimination.

Bullying: a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power. It can include verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion.

Discrimination: unfair treatment of a person, racial group, minority, etc; action based on prejudice.

So, now let's look at the situation in question, pertaining to bullying. Did Shiv/Ash show any aggressive behavior towards Adam? Did they physically assault him? No. Did they verbally assault him? He was outside and they were inside, so he wasn't able to hear anything, so that's a no. Did they use coercion? I don't recall Shiv/Ash forcing another party in the house to behave in an involuntary manner through the use of threats or intimidation, which is what coercion is. So again, no.

Not let's look at discrimination. Do shiv/ash have a prejudice against anyone who isn't 'in shape'? Because for it to be discrimination, that would have to be the case. They both seem to get on quite well with Becky, Caroline, and Scott. All of whom wouldn't be classified as physically 'fit'. You can't even determine prejudice based on a single event, it has to be a common and reoccurring bias, which we haven't seen. So once again, that's a no.

Were the comments rude? Sure. Were they discriminatory or of a bullying nature? By definition, they aren't. I'm not just making these definitions up, if you don't agree, take it up with Websters. Don't call me a supporter of bullying/discrimination and a bigot simply because you don't understand the terminology.

Yayita · 28-06-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewS

I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but I'll entertain this for now...

I suggest you look at the definitions of bullying and discrimination.

Bullying: a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power. It can include verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion.

Discrimination: unfair treatment of a person, racial group, minority, etc; action based on prejudice.

So, now let's look at the situation in question, pertaining to bullying. Did Shiv/Ash show any aggressive behavior towards Adam? Did they physically assault him? No. Did they verbally assault him? He was outside and they were inside, so he wasn't able to hear anything, so that's a no. Did they use coercion? I don't recall Shiv/Ash forcing another party in the house to behave in an involuntary manner through the use of threats or intimidation, which is what coercion is. So again, no.

Not let's look at discrimination. Do shiv/ash have a prejudice against anyone who isn't 'in shape'? Because for it to be discrimination, that would have to be the case. They both seem to get on quite well with Becky, Caroline, and Scott. All of whom wouldn't be classified as physically 'fit'. You can't even determine prejudice based on a single event, it has to be a common and reoccurring bias, which we haven't seen.

Were the comments rude? Sure. Were they discriminatory or of a bullying nature? By definition, they aren't. I'm not just making these definitions up, if you don't agree, take it up with Websters, but don't call me a supporter of bullying/discrimination because you don't understand the terminology.

Matt, you have some valid points but Caroline does bully people, im not sure about discrimination but she defo does bully... constantly speaking negatively about others in such a way that changes the group dynamic towards that person is considered bullying.

Im cool with anyone here liking who they like, Im not interested in changing who people support, I only want people to be more objective and no so blinded. For example, I like Deana and Lauren but I am able to admit they are not perfect and are weak in some aspects.

It just seems to me that people here blindly defend their favorites to the death, even when it is obvious that some of their behaviours is not appropriate and quite dangerous at times.

MatthewS · 28-06-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Yayita

Im cool with anyone here liking who they like, Im not interested in changing who people support, I only want people to be more objective and no so blinded. For example, I like Deana and Lauren but I am able to admit they are not perfect and are weak in some aspects.

It just seems to me that people here blindly defend their favorites to the death, even when it is obvious that some of their behaviours is not appropriate and quite dangerous at times.

I whole heartily agree

. I don't like a few people in the house, but I'd never judge another member or throw personal insults their way just because they do. It's all personal choice. Just a shame it doesn't go both ways on here with certain people.

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Originally Posted by Yayita

Matt, you have some valid points but Caroline does bully people, im not sure about discrimination but she defo does bully... constantly speaking negatively about others in such a way that changes the group dynamic towards that person is considered bullying.

I wasn't commenting on a situation with Caroline. I was commenting on the discussion between Ash & Shiv, regarding them having a laugh at Adam while he was jogging.

Saying negative things about someone, disliking someone, or having a laugh at someone elses expense, does not automatically equate to bullying or discrimination. Bullying and discrimination are very specific occurrences. By definition, the actions in question have to include specific circumstances and variables. If they don't, then it's not. That's not to say Ash & Shiv weren't being mean/rude/catty, it just isn't bullying or discrimination.

Vanessa · 28-06-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewS

I whole heartily agree

. I don't like a few people in the house, but I'd never judge another member or throw personal insults their way just because they do. It's all personal choice. Just a shame it doesn't go both ways on here with certain people.

I wasn't commenting on a situation with Caroline. I was commenting on the discussion between Ash & Shiv, regarding them having a laugh at Adam while he was jogging.

Saying negative things about someone, disliking someone, or having a laugh at someone elses expense, does not automatically equate to bullying or discrimination. Bullying and discrimination are very specific occurrences. By definition, the actions in question have to include specific circumstances and variables. If they don't, then it's not.

Tell me about it! Some people have no manners! Why can't everyone be polite to each other? There's no need for personal insults.

Yayita · 28-06-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewS

I whole heartily agree

. I don't like a few people in the house, but I'd never judge another member or throw personal insults their way just because they do. It's all personal choice. Just a shame it doesn't go both ways on here with certain people.

I wasn't commenting on a situation with Caroline. I was commenting on the discussion between Ash & Shiv, regarding them having a laugh at Adam while he was jogging.

Saying negative things about someone, disliking someone, or having a laugh at someone elses expense, does not automatically equate to bullying or discrimination. Bullying and discrimination are very specific occurrences. By definition, the actions in question have to include specific circumstances and variables. If they don't, then it's not. That's not to say Ash & Shiv weren't being mean/rude/catty, it just isn't bullying or discrimination.

I see your points Matty and understand part of your views, but disagree on Caroline.... It wont stop me from chatting with you on here though

See you around matey