[Livia]

If people are mentally capable of making the choice, I don't see why they can't choose to end their life in their own home, surrounded by familiar things and with the family around them. I think it's more dignified and fitting than having to take what would be a bloody difficult journey taking the logistics of it into account, then dying in an unfamiliar room in a clinic.

[mrlecturer]

encouraging breakthrough. about time this issue becomes widely promoted and accepted.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by mrlecturer

encouraging breakthrough. about time this issue becomes widely promoted and accepted.

do you really trust these politicians to provide enough safeguards to ensure the system is never abused and not one old frail vulnerable sick person is abused or dies as a result of this law?

[MTVN]

Have Switzerland not managed it ok?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Have Switzerland not managed it ok?

you tell me? Switzerland is a tiny , elitist rich mans haven. Nowhere near as complex and over populated as the UK. If abuses have taken place, its hard to find out about them all, as the voice of a stroke victim would couldnt speak but was killed off as his family thought thats what he would have wanted, thats a voice we cant hear nor never will hear. so how do we collaborate how many victims slip through the net? Its plain common sense to see that many such frail vulnerable people will get killed off, some by accident or misunderstanding, others by design

[MTVN]

Well from what I know they have to actually prove the motive is not selfish, and those who cannot risk getting 5 years in jail. All assisted suicides are taped and the police, an officer from the coroner's department and a doctor all attend the death. There are a lot of regulations and checks in place, and the assisted suicide laws are supported by 80% of the population, it's not as though anyone and everyone could just rock up to a clinic and get the relative killed off at the drop of a hat

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well from what I know they have to actually prove the motive is not selfish, and those who cannot risk getting 5 years in jail. All assisted suicides are taped and the police, an officer from the coroner's department and a doctor all attend the death. There are a lot of regulations and checks in place, and the assisted suicide laws are supported by 80% of the population, it's not as though anyone and everyone could just rock up to a clinic and get the relative killed off at the drop of a hat

How intelligent are these 80%?how do you prove motves are totally unselfish? I dont believe that figure is true across the whole nation, its more like a poll from a tabloid paper? we elect intelligent people, specialists in their fields to argue these laws. The vast majority wouldnt even begin to understand the endless complexities involved in such a blanket law ? Or are they just following the hysterical headlines?

Ill fight for the right of the unheard of voiceless victims who could be killed off

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by the truth

How intelligent are these 80%?how do you prove motves are totally unselfish? I dont believe that figure is true across the whole nation, its more like a poll from a tabloid paper? we elect intelligent people, specialists in their fields to argue these laws. The vast majority wouldnt even begin to understand the endless complexities involved in such a blanket law ? Or are they just following the hysterical headlines?

Ill fight for the right of the unheard of voiceless victims who could be killed off

No it was an official referendum, although my mistake it was just in Zurich that it was held http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-2284752.html

[Kizzy]

I don't think anyone should be discussing it other than the person themselves affected, by any means they can.
There should be at least a 12 month delay from the initial suggestion to a final desision and trained councillors to mediate in the interim.
I'm not suggesting those affected won't have thought long and hard, and family will have their own veiw but the impartial voice of a third party may help?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I don't think anyone should be discussing it other than the person themselves affected, by any means they can.
There should be at least a 12 month delay from the initial suggestion to a final desision and trained councillors to mediate in the interim.
I'm not suggesting those affected won't have thought long and hard, and family will have their own veiw but the impartial voice of a third party may help?

Im not sure how you can police who discusses this, but I take your point

I know for bitter experience how duplicitous, sly, corrupt, dangerous and back stabbing family members and so called friends can be when elederly relatives get ill. no one offers to help out, nearly everyone whispers behind the persons back, stick him in a home, then go out and enjoy yourself

we are brutally callous often in dealing with old people. lets face it the only way old people get treated well , is if they commit a crime in their old peoples home and get sent to prison. compared to an old care home, prisoners get treated like kings

this is another massive issue that needs addressing

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

Im not sure how you can police who discusses this, but I take your point

I know for bitter experience how duplicitous, sly, corrupt, dangerous and back stabbing family members and so called friends can be when elederly relatives get ill. no one offers to help out, nearly everyone whispers behind the persons back, stick him in a home, then go out and enjoy yourself

we are brutally callous often in dealing with old people. lets face it the only way old people get treated well , is if they commit a crime in their old peoples home and get sent to prison. compared to an old care home, prisoners get treated like kings

this is another massive issue that needs addressing

I meant the people involved in the proposed euthanasia discussing it, not us...

The question of standards in our residential care homes is being focussed on in the media more now so hopefully there will be more regulatory bodies set up ...But don't hold your breath.
The 'private' care homes that cost loads employ inadequate, lazy, ineffective drunks to make plenty dolla...Who's silly idea was that?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I meant the people involved in the proposed euthanasia discussing it, not us...

The question of standards in our residential care homes is being focussed on in the media more now so hopefully there will be more regulatory bodies set up ...But don't hold your breath.
The 'private' care homes that cost loads employ inadequate, lazy, ineffective drunks to make plenty dolla...Who's silly idea was that?

Theres zillions of holes in every part of our systems, the thought of legalising euthanasia with so many failings, mismanagement finanical restraint and incompetence, political corruption, corporate corruption, individual corruption at such a high, the thought of adding euthanasia of the most vulnerable people, putting them at the hands of such people and such a dangerous unreliable system, frightens me to death. No doubt it will do the same to these frail vulnerable old people too.

I cannot even begin to imagine how many safeguards this would need to have in place. How tight the vetting would need to be of every single person involved. I mean really the people running this country are already treating pensioners like dogs, theyre alreay up to their eyeballs in corruption at every level. backhanders, cash for questions, bribes to cops, bribes back and forth between journalists, cops and politicians...wars based on spin and lies, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands....Do I think these people would lose sleep over the safeguards for vulnerable old people? [probably not

Let sleeping dogs lie, but dont let people kill them off

There are far more humane ways of improving the system we have. the entire nhs needs massive overhaul and I include the appalling standard of some areas of nursing in this too. people should never die of thirst in british hospitals, but its happened. all it takes is a 5 minute swallow test of salt and water to see if a patient can swallow.

we need to improve on and fix the system we have already got. we need to clean up our parliament and our corrupt media. before we can even consider diving into the nightmarish scenario of legally allowing euthanasia. evenn politicians know, once you open that particular door, there is no turning back and over the years as the system grows and the rates of euthanasia expands, more and more innocent people will fall victim to human error or human corruption

[Kizzy]

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