[jet]

Originally Posted by ShakeyJake10

By the way. This conversation was started, and I may have misheard, by ash knowing Gordon Ramsay and his wife, and Helen said she was embarrassed and didn't want to meet them because she slept with Wayne Rooney. Why did she start on that topic from ash just talking about Gordon Ramsay?? Unless she would be worried to meet him in case she wanted to sleep with him?! Or did I really mishear the whole convo

I am wondering why she brought the subject up at all. It's not as if she and Ash are now in a relationship and it's only fair to tell him.
Imo she took the opportunity to mention it for the viewing public to hear her side of the story if they hadn't already.

[Josy]

Ash is better off away from her, nothing to do with her past but her actions in the house, if he sticks around with her it wil be his downfall.

Originally Posted by Verbal

She has stated how she regretted that period in her life and how she has moved on. If he is any kind of a man it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.

Actually she has said and always has said she doesn't regret the prostitution only the media drama.

And I think your last comment is wrong, a lot of decent men wouldn't go near an ex prossie with a barge pole.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Josy

Ash is better off away from her, nothing to do with her past but her actions in the house, if he sticks around with her it wil be his downfall.



Actually she has said and always has said she doesn't regret the prostitution only the media drama.

And I think your last comment is wrong, a lot of decent men wouldn't go near an ex prossie with a barge pole.

Hypothetically if you were say a 40 year old man and you were out and met a 40 year old woman in a pub, you would have absolutely no idea she was a prostitute 20 years ago unless she told you. Absolutely no way would I 'run a mile' if I was Ash. And I would hope that I could be considered to be a decent man.

[erinp5]

Her job as an escort is the least of his worries!! it's her character he needs to worry about .
She is a vile, nasty, vindictive, jealous, bitch . She has no redeeming qualities and if she hadn't had the pass to the final she would have been up and out because she is a piss head and a bully .

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by erinp5

Her job as an escort is the least of his worries!! it's her character he needs to worry about .
She is a vile, nasty, vindictive, jealous, bitch . She has no redeeming qualities and if she hadn't had the pass to the final she would have been up and out because she is a piss head and a bully .

She is one of my favourite personalities in the house. She is ballsy, says and does what she wants. I understand how that may scare some though. She is not a bully. We've been over this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Ash is better off away from her, nothing to do with her past but her actions in the house, if he sticks around with her it wil be his downfall.



Actually she has said and always has said she doesn't regret the prostitution only the media drama.

And I think your last comment is wrong, a lot of decent men wouldn't go near an ex prossie with a barge pole.

She didn't set out with that as a career goal, it was circumstances that led her down that road, what she has said is they were choices she made, so she has to accept she placed herself in the situation.
However there are lots of escorts and lots of premiership footballers that use them, her being 'outed' was unfortunate.. the violence and abuse she's received because of it is not acceptable to me.

[jet]

Originally Posted by erinp5

Her job as an escort is the least of his worries!! it's her character he needs to worry about .
She is a vile, nasty, vindictive, jealous, bitch . She has no redeeming qualities and if she hadn't had the pass to the final she would have been up and out because she is a piss head and a bully .

I agree but he has seen her being vile and nasty and seems to like it.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Hypothetically if you were say a 40 year old man and you were out and met a 40 year old woman in a pub, you would have absolutely no idea she was a prostitute 20 years ago unless she told you. Absolutely no way would I 'run a mile' if I was Ash. And I would hope that I could be considered to be a decent man.

Any decent woman would/should tell someone that anyway if they planned on taking the relationship further but it's what the person would do when they did find out we were talking about..and I think most men wouldn't be interested in someone that slept with people for a living.

Also your comment about judging people making us less of a person? I couldn't disagree more with that, we have always judged, whether that be situations or people we have always done it and I would say it was instilled into us, an instinct if you like, we judge people in the street without realising it, we judge if a situation is dangerous and make decisions on how to react based on that judgement, judging definitely does not make anyone less off a person, what about actual Judges that do that for a living? are they lesser people because of their job? The comment you made was far too much of a blanket statement IMO now if you had said we shouldnt judge people on looks for example I could have agreed but to say any sort of judging makes us lesser people or small minded is actually a pretty blinkered view IMO

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She didn't set out with that as a career goal, it was circumstances that led her down that road, what she has said is they were choices she made, so she has to accept she placed herself in the situation.
However there are lots of escorts and lots of premiership footballers that use them, her being 'outed' was unfortunate.. the violence and abuse she's received because of it is not acceptable to me.

Oh please she was 500 quid in debt, she hardly owed a fortune so it was circumstances that could have been easily rectified without resorting to prostitiution.

I'm not really sure what any of your post has to do with the thread topic though.

[Northern Monkey]

Prostitution is fine.....But i would'nt wanna kiss one!Eew!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Oh please she was 500 quid in debt, she hardly owed a fortune so it was circumstances that could have been easily rectified without resorting to prostitiution.

I'm not really sure what any of your post has to do with the thread topic though.

No... she borrowed Ł500 from a loan shark, unless they are 0% interest no she owed a LOT more.

It is relevant in the context of the topic josy, it's relating to the fact she was an ex escort who bedded a footballer and expressing this fact in the house isn't it?
That was the point, it's not unusual for footballers to 'play away' Rooney did it more than once.
She now has to live with the public backlash... such as this thread and all the other morality policing that's occurring via social media, therefore it's entirely relevant as far as I see it.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Josy

Any decent woman would/should tell someone that anyway if they planned on taking the relationship further but it's what the person would do when they did find out we were talking about..and I think most men wouldn't be interested in someone that slept with people for a living.

Also your comment about judging people making us less of a person? I couldn't disagree more with that, we have always judged, whether that be situations or people we have always done it and I would say it was instilled into us, an instinct if you like, we judge people in the street without realising it, we judge if a situation is dangerous and make decisions on how to react based on that judgement, judging definitely does not make anyone less off a person, what about actual Judges that do that for a living? are they lesser people because of their job? The comment you made was far too much of a blanket statement IMO now if you had said we shouldnt judge people on looks for example I could have agreed but to say any sort of judging makes us lesser people or small minded is actually a pretty blinkered view IMO

You're just being ridiculous now, Josy. It is quite clear in the context of this thread what I meant when talking about judging people.
You're saying that it is ok to hold something against someone for their entire lives even though it may be well in their distant past?
I'm not talking about the law or judging dangerous decisions. I'm talking about vilifying a young girl who went through an unfortunate phase in her past, for the rest of her life; which by the looks of it a (not so suprisingly) large amount of people are more than prepared to do.
She should not be ashamed of her past. She didn't go around mugging people, burgling houses or working as a hitman. She had sex with paying, willing customers.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No... she borrowed Ł500 from a loan shark, unless they are 0% interest no she owed a LOT more.

It is relevant in the context of the topic josy, it's relating to the fact she was an ex escort who bedded a footballer and expressing this fact in the house isn't it?
That was the point, it's not unusual for footballers to 'play away' Rooney did it more than once.
She now has to live with the public backlash... such as this thread and all the other morality policing that's occurring via social media, therefore it's entirely relevant as far as I see it.

I don't really care how much she owed Kizzy, the fact is she did not owe the national debt and could have done anything but turn to prostitution but she opted for the easy way out and she admits this herself in the interviews of her talking about it, she also clearly states she does not regret the prostitution just the tabloid scandals.

This thread isn't backlash, it's discussing the conversation she had with Ash inside the house, Helen herself was the one that brought it up and that's what we were discussing..

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Josy

Oh please she was 500 quid in debt, she hardly owed a fortune so it was circumstances that could have been easily rectified without resorting to prostitiution.

I'm not really sure what any of your post has to do with the thread topic though.

Clearly you are from a relatively privileged background, where 500 quid is not that much money. Come down this way and let me introduce you to a few people I know who are at this moment sitting in their houses with no gas, electric and barely any food because they can't afford it. To some that is a fortune.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Verbal

You're just being ridiculous now, Josy. It is quite clear in the context of this thread what I meant when talking about judging people.
You're saying that it is ok to hold something against someone for their entire lives even though it may be well in their distant past?
I'm not talking about the law or judging dangerous decisions. I'm talking about vilifying a young girl who went through an unfortunate phase in her past, for the rest of her life; which by the looks of it a (not so suprisingly) large amount of people are more than prepared to do.
She should not be ashamed of her past. She didn't go around mugging people, burgling houses or working as a hitman. She had sex with paying, willing customers.

I'm being ridiculous for disagreeing with a blanket statement that you made?

And yes I am saying it's ok to judge someone on their past if that's what people choose to do, we always judge people in some way or other, how on earth have we been having opinions of people since day one if we don't judge? YOU don't have any problems with Helens past but others do, I judge people by their behaviour and am certainly not any less of a person for doing so.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Clearly you are from a relatively privileged background, where 500 quid is not that much money. Come down this way and let me introduce you to a few people I know who are at this moment sitting in their houses with no gas, electric and barely any food because they can't afford it. To some that is a fortune.

You just judged me?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

I don't really care how much she owed Kizzy, the fact is she did not owe the national debt and could have done anything but turn to prostitution but she opted for the easy way out and she admits this herself in the interviews of her talking about it, she also clearly states she does not regret the prostitution just the tabloid scandals.

This thread isn't backlash, it's discussing the conversation she had with Ash inside the house, Helen herself was the one that brought it up and that's what we were discussing..

Josy stop shooting me down for my opinion because it interferes with your slut shaming.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Josy

You just judged me?

No I didn't I made a point.

Holding someones past against them or judging people from a distance in general is utterly ridiculous and is damaging to society and the individual.

[Kizzy]

I actually don't think ash will care... he likes helen.

[flamingGalah!]

Lots of people get down on their luck & have money problems, but they don't all lay on their backs with their legs in the air!

Ash should run for the hills...

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Josy stop shooting me down for my opinion because it interferes with your slut shaming.

Again, this thread isn't specifically about Helen and her past it's about Ash and his reaction to it. You seem to be the only one bringing this 'slut shaming' thing up.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Verbal

No I didn't I made a point.

Holding someones past against them or judging people from a distance in general is utterly ridiculous and is damaging to society and the individual.

And to make that point you judged my past? you mentioned my background.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Lots of people get down on their luck & have money problems, but they don't all lay on their backs with their legs in the air!

Ash should run for the hills...

I genuinely don't see why that is a bad thing, would you rather they burgled your house? Or would you rather they serviced some lonely old pervert in the comfort of their own home?

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Josy

And to make that point you judged my past? you mentioned my background.

Where did I judge you? I made an assumption that you are from a relatively privileged background. If I was judging you I would have made some derogatory comment.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I genuinely don't see why that is a bad thing, would you rather they burgled your house? Or would you rather they serviced some lonely old pervert in the comfort of their own home?

Of course not, but to pretend that the only option for someone with money troubles is to become a prostitute is ridiculous! She had a child ffs, she would have been entitled to (& no doubt received) benefits etc.. anyway...

So I don't get all this pitty for her or that she was forced to be a prostitute or that it was her only option at all...