[AnnieK]

Everywhere has bad areas wherever you are.

awful story

[arista]

Ch4NewsHD
confirmed the 25 year old was Chubby , Dressed in Black
and saying "my lighters .... the Cats.... the Cats"
he may been on Meds or Drugs

[Jords]

Pretty scary

[user104658]

This is clearly horrific but seriously, was there really any need to point out that it's "probably not terrorism"? why would it be terrorism?? Are we, as a nation, now such collectively ****ing thick little sheep that it's expected that people will scream "OH NOES A TERRORISM!!" simply because they've encountered a terrorism-related buzzword?

Actually, no need to answer that. A company-wide memo was sent around at my work stating that any "unidentified packages" noticed anywhere (country wide...) must not be touched, because the threat level has been raised so they might be bombs planted by terrorists. For ****ing ****'s sake. There's got to be a likelihood of something like 0.00000000001%.

MAYBE IT'S A BOMB OOOORRRR probably it's Hovis and a pint of milk.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is clearly horrific but seriously, was there really any need to point out that it's "probably not terrorism"? why would it be terrorism?? Are we, as a nation, now such collectively ****ing thick little sheep that it's expected that people will scream "OH NOES A TERRORISM!!" simply because they've encountered a terrorism-related buzzword?

Actually, no need to answer that. A company-wide memo was sent around at my work stating that any "unidentified packages" noticed anywhere (country wide...) must not be touched, because the threat level has been raised so they might be bombs planted by terrorists. For ****ing ****'s sake. There's got to be a likelihood of something like 0.00000000001%.

MAYBE IT'S A BOMB OOOORRRR probably it's Hovis and a pint of milk.

I saw (through one of my FB friends who commented on it) that 'Britain First' posted this story on their facebook. All the top comments were people saying stuff like "got Muslim all over it" and "smells like the religion of peace" with all of these comments getting hundreds of likes. After the Lee Rigby murder and with what's happening with IS people are now beginning to equate decapitation with Islamic extremism

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is clearly horrific but seriously, was there really any need to point out that it's "probably not terrorism"? why would it be terrorism?? Are we, as a nation, now such collectively ****ing thick little sheep that it's expected that people will scream "OH NOES A TERRORISM!!" simply because they've encountered a terrorism-related buzzword?

Actually, no need to answer that. A company-wide memo was sent around at my work stating that any "unidentified packages" noticed anywhere (country wide...) must not be touched, because the threat level has been raised so they might be bombs planted by terrorists. For ****ing ****'s sake. There's got to be a likelihood of something like 0.00000000001%.

MAYBE IT'S A BOMB OOOORRRR probably it's Hovis and a pint of milk.

The buzzword being 'decapitation' ?

How many times in recent years have you heard this term and what was it in reference to? Far from being thick or sheep it is a logical conclusion given the growing tension over the last week.
Those memos have circulated around workplaces for years, it it important to remain vigilant especially if your workplace is a possible target.
Whatever the likelihood it costs nothing to keep your eyes and your ears open.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The buzzword being 'decapitation' ?

How many times in recent years have you heard this term and what was it in reference to? Far from being thick or sheep it is a logical conclusion given the growing tension over the last week.
Those memos have circulated around workplaces for years, it it important to remain vigilant especially if your workplace is a possible target.
Whatever the likelihood it costs nothing to keep your eyes and your ears open.

OK so because soldiers and war journalists have been decapitated in the middle east by terrorists, it logically follows that an old woman murdered in her garden would also be terrorists? No, it doesn't. The aim of terrorism is to spread illogical and irrational fear... Terror... And hey look, it's working.

My work place is realistically NOT a possible terrorist target. That's my point. The memo is completely and utterly paranoid and stupid. It's stopping people from just getting on with their lives WITHOUT FEAR and giving terrorists absolutely everything that they want.

The next time I see an abandoned Morrison's bag in my workplace, I'm going to film myself opening it. Carelessly. With my face. I am that sure that it won't "be a bomb". Or perhaps the cunning hiding place of a machete wielding Muslim.

As for how many times I've read about decapitation and dismemberments in recent years? Too many. Off the top of my head (excuse the pun) : a head found on a beach, head in a freezer, body cut to pieces in a suitcase, and a poor mentally disabled woman decapitated by two junkies in a flat "for a laugh". It's not common of course but it happens, and it's usually not suspected to be Islamic terrorism, because it OBVIOUSLY ISN'T.

But yeah... Manic paranoia successfully spread. Terrorists 1, stupid British public 0.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

OK so because soldiers and war journalists have been decapitated in the middle east by terrorists, it logically follows that an old woman murdered in her garden would also be terrorists? No, it doesn't. The aim of terrorism is to spread illogical and irrational fear... Terror... And hey look, it's working.

My work place is realistically NOT a possible terrorist target. That's my point. The memo is completely and utterly paranoid and stupid. It's stopping people from just getting on with their lives WITHOUT FEAR and giving terrorists absolutely everything that they want.

The next time I see an abandoned Morrison's bag in my workplace, I'm going to film myself opening it. Carelessly. With my face. I am that sure that it won't "be a bomb". Or perhaps the cunning hiding place of a machete wielding Muslim.

As for how many times I've read about decapitation and dismemberments in recent years? Too many. Off the top of my head (excuse the pun) : a head found on a beach, head in a freezer, body cut to pieces in a suitcase, and a poor mentally disabled woman decapitated by two junkies in a flat "for a laugh". It's not common of course but it happens, and it's usually not suspected to be Islamic terrorism, because it OBVIOUSLY ISN'T.

But yeah... Manic paranoia successfully spread. Terrorists 1, stupid British public 0.

I said as the 'buzzword' decapitation had been used it was understandable for some to establish an initial theory is all.
To engage the public and request their support in counter terrorism, industrial espionage and being aware generally of suspicious behaviour has been requested many times as far back as WW1...
Being aware of a potential threat isn't living in fear... being ignorant to the fact there is a threat is scary.
I don't appreciate it being alluded to that those who are vigilant and aware of the threat are 'stupid', radicalisation of homegrown disenfranchised young people is real and the impact on communities and society as a whole immense.

You stick your head in that carrier bag, make sure you remove it from the sand first.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I said as the 'buzzword' decapitation had been used it was understandable for some to establish an initial theory is all.
To engage the public and request their support in counter terrorism, industrial espionage and being aware generally of suspicious behaviour has been requested many times as far back as WW1...
Being aware of a potential threat isn't living in fear... being ignorant to the fact there is a threat is scary.
I don't appreciate it being alluded to that those who are vigilant and aware of the threat are 'stupid', radicalisation of homegrown disenfranchised young people is real and the impact on communities and society as a whole immense.

You stick your head in that carrier bag, make sure you remove it from the sand first.

The intention of terrorism is to create a culture of fear and the constant media undercurrent that wants to link absolutely everything to "Terrorism" or "Radical Islam" plays right into that culture of fear, thereby ensuring the success of terrorism itself. It is "understandable" for some to create that link, but it's only understandable because of the preceeding media chatter surrounding decapitation in warzones. If we hadn't seen these news stories in recent weeks, would many people have heard about this poor woman and immediately started to bleat "teeeerrrrrrrorism!!"? I very much doubt it. Because logically, there is clearly no link, other than perhaps that an already disturbed individual has taken these news events as some sort of twisted inspiration.

The idea that we all need to be extra vigilant and on the lookout for explosives throughout the day is also ludicrous. Like seeing people visibly **** themselves every time they saw a black person sneeze during the "Ebola outbreak". Which is, of course, no more or less contained now than it was two weeks ago, but y'know... It's not too skaywee anymore because it's on page 7 now and beheading and bombs are in the headlines, so that's the scary thing now innit?

Again, it all plays right into that paranoia and fear culture, which all too often then ends up spiraling into xenophobia and casual racism, further alienating individuals and strengthening ACTUAL terrorist rhetoric.

[Ninastar]

^ i think it more has to do with the fact that we are on red alert for terrorism

and then we've already had to deal with two beheadings over the past 2 weeks... people might just link the two.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

^ i think it more has to do with the fact that we are on red alert for terrorism

and then we've already had to deal with two beheadings over the past 2 weeks... people might just link the two.

That's how I read it too.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by lily.

That's how I read it too.

i thought it was at first. I've been waiting for something like this to happen for a while.

Wouldn't surprise me if it happens again soon.

[Ninastar]

^ Britain First is a horrifically embarrassing group on FB that is just full of small minded racist idiots.

[reece(:]

He decapitated a cat too

[the truth]

tragic story ...i cant bear to read the gory details..........
ps never liked london, worst part of the uk

[Kazanne]

Just heard this woman was 82,bless her,how awful.

[rubymoo]

The Sun says he was an Islam convert, he's beheaded 2 cats and this poor lady....so so sad

[arista]

[LaLaLand]

This is horrendous, utterly shocked me to the core. Not saying that where I live is "nicer" than London as everywhere has their problems, but I'm really glad I live somewhere "small" where something like this happening is almost unthinkable. Poor, poor lady. R.I.P.

[Ninastar]

If this beheading had happened at any other time, other than a RED ALERT for terrorism, I'm sure a lot more people would not think it's terrorism.

I don't think it makes the UK stupid for thinking it was a terrorist attack. It's good to be aware that this type of stuff can happen. It would be naive to think that this never happens.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

If this beheading had happened at any other time, other than a RED ALERT for terrorism, I'm sure a lot more people would not think it's terrorism.

But that is exactly my point. People are seeing ghosts in every window, because someone's told them that the castle is haunted. It's the whole purpose of terrorism - to make people fear attack. To see threats and danger at every turn when in reality the chances of being directly affected by such an attack are incredibly low.

I'm not being naive or saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. I'm just saying that it's frankly bizarre that news sources have to point out, in cases like this, that it's "probably not related to the terrorism alert level". That it has to be, pointed out that it's highly unlikely for there to have been a complex, multi-layer terrorist cell plot to murder an old lady and some cats.

This is continuing and perpetuating an illusion of constant danger where there is (effectively) none. You are more likely to crash your car and die driving home, or suffer from random cardiac failure right this very second, than you are to be killed or injured in a terrorist attack. "red alert" or not.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But that is exactly my point. People are seeing ghosts in every window, because someone's told them that the castle is haunted. It's the whole purpose of terrorism - to make people fear attack. To see threats and danger at every turn when in reality the chances of being directly affected by such an attack are incredibly low.

I'm not being naive or saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. I'm just saying that it's frankly bizarre that news sources have to point out, in cases like this, that it's "probably not related to the terrorism alert level". That it has to be, pointed out that it's highly unlikely for there to have been a complex, multi-layer terrorist cell plot to murder an old lady and some cats.

This is continuing and perpetuating an illusion of constant danger where there is (effectively) none. You are more likely to crash your car and die driving home, or suffer from random cardiac failure right this very second, than you are to be killed or injured in a terrorist attack. "red alert" or not.

It's not a case of being directly affected, it's being indirectly affected too...
The fear nationally would grow if there was another significant attack, we all have a responsibility as citizens to maintain a safe environment for ourselves and others don't we?
I live in Leeds a large city which has from time to time been named as the target by terror organisations so we have been used to these requests for vigilance for years, it doesn't impact negatively on my life nor do I feel in constant fear, the saying is to be forewarned is to be four armed, no good ever came of an I'm alright jack attitude.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

no good ever came of an I'm alright jack attitude.

That's not even close to what I was getting at, my point is that a disproportionate level fear disrupting daily thought processes is the main goal of terrorism and we play right into their hands via the media and paranoid word of mouth. But I dont think you get it at all, so I'm just going to leave it. Enjoy living in constant vigilance.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's not even close to what I was getting at, my point is that a disproportionate level fear disrupting daily thought processes is the main goal of terrorism and we play right into their hands via the media and paranoid word of mouth. But I dont think you get it at all, so I'm just going to leave it. Enjoy living in constant vigilance.

I understand you're view as you've described it, you don't feel you'll ever be be personally affected (and I hope your not) therefore you don't feel the need for counter terrorism and preparedness measures.
The main goal of terrorists is to cause maximum damage and loss of life during an incident, do I feel the public could and should have a part to play in preventing such incidents? Yes.
Enjoy living like a not so wise monkey TS.

It's very different now to terrorism was years ago, when did you first hear of the term 'suicide bomber'? That changed everything.

[arista]

Nothing from the Police , yet.


I think he is mental case of a 25 year old
who got inspired by ISIS
could be on meds or drugs.
Not a Terrorist


The Police had to Taser him