[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

cats are evil

also, my dog was nearly killed by 3 dogs from up the road, they weren't looking to eat her as far as I can tell.......

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You never met my cat ..........

I love cats. They are so much fun and are very smart. I miss mine.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I love cats. They are so much fun and are very smart. I miss mine.

Yes I love my cat too but believe me he does kill for fun

[MTVN]

Loads of animals kill for sport

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Loads of animals kill for sport

I wasn't asking a rhetorical question, I suspected that we were, but did not know. I still don't, so maybe you can enlighten me?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I wasn't asking a rhetorical question, I suspected that we were, but did not know. I still don't, so maybe you can enlighten me?

Well Niamhs given a few examples: cats like to see killing things as like a game, a lot of animals will fight over mates, dogs can attack other dogs just to beat them. The animal world can be very brutal with animals killing each other just for the sake of it, there's no way we can see their interactions with each other as more civilised and harmonious than humans imo

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well Niamhs given a few examples: cats like to see killing things as like a game, a lot of animals will fight over mates, dogs can attack other dogs just to beat them. The animal world can be very brutal with animals killing each other just for the sake of it, there's no way we can see their interactions with each other as more civilised and harmonious than humans imo

I cede Matt, I forgot my own cat with field mice and birds.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you think?

and why?

You are truly one sly old dog LT.

I'm referring to the fact that you have posted - probably - the most appealing photo of a little puppy, with a photo of a Muslim child posing with a toy gun.

Further; the puppy is alone and caged and obviously wanting to be free - which further evokes our sympathy - while the child is free, not alone and the bars are in the background.

Talk about subliminal conditioning?

[Niamh.]

My cat kills flies and spiders, he doesn't eat them afterwards

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My cat kills flies and spiders, he doesn't eat them afterwards

I think you should get that thing put down asap

its demented

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think you should get that thing put down asap

its demented

Killing flies and spiders is only to be applauded

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Killing flies and spiders is only to be applauded

:shudder:

A Ghost cat

you should not have the undead in your house as you have children

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

:shudder:

A Ghost cat

you should not have the undead in your house as you have children

[Samuel.]

We're all just a variety of living beings ultimately, none more worthy than another

We just put ourselves first which I think is natural. For the vast majority at least, we as humans want to live and live well, and consensually and conveniently put our morality regarding animal life to one side for our food wants and needs. You've seen with fashion that the consesus is changing and we're viewing animal life more valuable than clothing for the most part. I think with food though we'll continue to ignore the countless death toll we're causing for certain animals even when for a lot of us it's really not necessary anymore.

Basically, we're unnecessarily evil but are more than happy to ignore it for convenience. I'm guilty as much as anybody.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

We're all just a variety of living beings ultimately, none more worthy than another

We just put ourselves first which I think is natural. For the vast majority at least, we as humans want to live and live well, and consensually and conveniently put our morality regarding animal life to one side for our food wants and needs. You've seen with fashion that the consesus is changing and we're viewing animal life more valuable than clothing for the most part. I think with food though we'll continue to ignore the countless death toll we're causing for certain animals even when for a lot of us it's really not necessary anymore.

Basically, we're unnecessarily evil but are more than happy to ignore it for convenience. I'm guilty as much as anybody.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

We're all just a variety of living beings ultimately, none more worthy than another

We just put ourselves first which I think is natural. For the vast majority at least, we as humans want to live and live well, and consensually and conveniently put our morality regarding animal life to one side for our food wants and needs. You've seen with fashion that the consesus is changing and we're viewing animal life more valuable than clothing for the most part. I think with food though we'll continue to ignore the countless death toll we're causing for certain animals even when for a lot of us it's really not necessary anymore.

Basically, we're unnecessarily evil but are more than happy to ignore it for convenience. I'm guilty as much as anybody.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

We're all just a variety of living beings ultimately, none more worthy than another

We just put ourselves first which I think is natural. For the vast majority at least, we as humans want to live and live well, and consensually and conveniently put our morality regarding animal life to one side for our food wants and needs. You've seen with fashion that the consesus is changing and we're viewing animal life more valuable than clothing for the most part. I think with food though we'll continue to ignore the countless death toll we're causing for certain animals even when for a lot of us it's really not necessary anymore.

Basically, we're unnecessarily evil but are more than happy to ignore it for convenience. I'm guilty as much as anybody.

Great post.

[InOne]

It depends on the human life in question.

[thesheriff443]

Dogs have killed kids and children, cows kill people every year, snakes and spiders kill people, humans kill animals and each other.
A human life should be worth more than an animal but some people, ie rapist, child killers and murderers, their life's are worth a lot less than an animal.

[Dollface]

No

[Kazanne]

Bull fighting
Dog fighting
Slaughtering the whales
Clubbing Seals
Bear baiting/dancing
The fur trade
Fox Hunting
Badger baiting
Using animals for medicines(tigers,bears etc,
Horse racing,
Elephant Poaching(for ivory)
Just a few things us lovely humans think we have a right to do to animals because are are 'THE TOP' of the chain.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Bull fighting
Dog fighting
Slaughtering the whales
Clubbing Seals
Bear baiting/dancing
The fur trade
Fox Hunting
Badger baiting
Using animals for medicines(tigers,bears etc,
Horse racing,
Elephant Poaching(for ivory)
Just a few things us lovely humans think we have a right to do to animals because are are 'THE TOP' of the chain.

Horrible list,(I could exclude horse racing), however some really cruel and rotten acts committed carrying that list out Kazanne,I agree.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Horrible list,(I could exclude horse racing), however some really cruel and rotten acts committed carrying that list out Kazanne,I agree.

Animals have to live with the disadvantage of living with most dangerous animal on earth Joey,and the cowards have created weapons that animals cannot fight against.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Bull fighting
Dog fighting
Slaughtering the whales
Clubbing Seals
Bear baiting/dancing
The fur trade
Fox Hunting
Badger baiting
Using animals for medicines(tigers,bears etc,
Horse racing,
Elephant Poaching(for ivory)
Just a few things us lovely humans think we have a right to do to animals because are are 'THE TOP' of the chain.

They're all disgusting practices no doubt but imo it doesn't change the fact that as a human I would hold another humans life to a higher value than an animals. What about that scenario I gave, are you telling me that your first response wouldn't be "Why would you save a dog over a human?"

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They're all disgusting practices no doubt but imo it doesn't change the fact that as a human I would hold another humans life in higher value to an animals. What about that scenario I gave, are you telling me that your first response wouldn't be "Why would you save a dog over a human?"

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ?

To many people, pets are classed as family just as much. If I was in this situation, I'd be devastated either way. If the pet died, I certainly wouldn't feel "Well, at least it was the pet and not someone else". The heartbreak would be the same.

My cat passed away last summer and I mourned her just as much as I imagine I'll mourn relatives. About 7 months on and I still think about her and get sad every day, there's no comfort in the fact that she was just an animal.