[Macie Lightfoot]

I enjoyed reading that fan fiction on Helen ^

[Bailey2Be]

The thing with Farrah is that she is cray cray to the max and her behavior is embarrassing. But she does come across at times as someone who is deeply hurting. When she is in her rage sprouting off nonscence, at times she does seem like she is just so broken underneath it all and is sort of lashing out in a way. Not an excuse for her actions but I know from her past history she hasn't had it easy. Again no excuse and everyone has had bad things happen to them! The father of her child died when she was pregnant with her daughter and it was reported that she's been attacked by guys on multiple occasions. She just seems like a very broken and disturbed girl who really needs help. Maybe a cry for help. She is the poster child for a girl with 'daddy issues'.

[EspeonBB]

Helen by far. Helen comes across as genuinely nasty and wanting to hurt people whilst Farrah just seems crazy

[Xtopher]

The thing is, I CAN stand Farrah. She makes great TV. While Helen on the other hand...

[BB4fan]

They are both amazing too me. I absolutely love them so both.

Helen's already a BB Legend but Farrah is a future one. It's so hard to pick which one I LOVE more...

n e waaaaaze......

Helen and Farrah are both hotties too.

[Kazanne]

Farrah is worse,Helen did at least aknowlege she was sometimes wrong ,also had the ability to apologize and have a laugh and also was kind,Helen just threw some nasty words around,Farrah has a nasty mouth,nasty personality and a nasty face.

[Niamh.]

Helen was kind?

[waterhog]

totally different - Helen was a so called worker and had first had exspoerience of what she was dealing with where as Farrah has built up this reputation via a tv show and twitnit faceboof thing. Helen was real - Farrah is fake.

[Tarryn]

There should have been a third option-Jenna.
She is a total bitch.

[Robodog]

Of course there is no REAL comparison between Helen and the REAL villains - Farrah/Conor/Perez etc.

Conor would NEVER EVER have won, had the public got to vote for him.

Perez DID reach the final but came a rubbish 6th out of 6!

Farrah also would NEVER EVER win (if she even reaches the final).

Helen, however, DID win !! She won !! That's the difference !!

If she really was as bad as Farrah/Conor/Perez then she NEVER would have won. People just wouldn't have voted for her. But they did. Thousands of them. And she won.

The only thing about Helen is that the people who hate her - they really hate her and they can't believe (or even accept sometimes) that other people don't hate her as much as they do. But that is only a minority. Everyone else kind of likes her. Hence she won.

I never get tired of reminding people that - Helen is a BB winner. The reason being she offers a whole range of humanity and humour that the other BB 'villains' just don't have.

Beyond opinion about Helen vs Farrah/Conor/etc, the results speak for themselves.

[Tarryn]

For me the two difference's between Helen & Farrah is that Helen knew when to walk away from an argument (mainly to go bitch about them in the garden) plus Helen knew when to pick her arguments, often going for the weakest link but Farrah does not give a **** who she goes for.
Farrah is just a stupid immature girl.

[Niamh.]

There is no results speaking for themselves when it comes to Conor because he choose to leave, he wasn't evicted and had Helen not had her final pass and "redemption story" she would have gone long long before the final. Also, the Helen V's Ashleigh thing, made people choose a side rather than a winner imo

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There is no results speaking for themselves when it comes to Conor because he choose to leave, he wasn't evicted and had Helen not had her final pass and "redemption story" she would have gone long long before the final. Also, the Helen V's Ashleigh thing, made people choose a side rather than a winner imo

And when it came to the final last year, of ALL the final HMs - the public chose Helen as their winner.

That would never have happened with Conor, Perez or Farrah.

Like i say, some Helen-haters find it hard to accept that other people aren't Helen-haters and that loads of people actually do like her, enough for her to win.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

And when it came to the final last year, of ALL the final HMs - the public chose Helen as their winner.

That would never have happened with Conor, Perez or Farrah.

Like i say, some Helen-haters find it hard to accept that other people aren't Helen-haters and that loads of people actually do like her, enough for her to win.

I'm sure we can discuss this without doing the whole "some Helen haters" bit. I'm well aware that some people liked her. I'm just discussing the circumstances leading up to her winning. They weren't the normal set of circumstances a HM has to get to the point of winning. She didn't make it to the final on her own merits and if she'd not had that pass, she would have been gone a long time before that, I think that's pretty much a definite

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm sure we can discuss this without doing the whole "some Helen haters" bit. I'm well aware that some people liked her. I'm just discussing the circumstances leading up to her winning. They weren't the normal set of circumstances a HM has to get to the point of winning. She didn't make it to the final on her own merits and if she'd not had that pass, she would have been gone a long time before that, I think that's pretty much a definite

Yeah i get that, i don't mean to be personal about yourself being a Helen-hater like that, so i'm sorry if it came across that way. It just feels like a blanket all out dismissal of Helen from lots of people sometimes, so i'm sorry if i put you wrongly in that bracket.

And yeah you are right, she'd probably never have made it to the final were it not for the pass. But still she pulled off the win, something the real villains - Conor/Perez/Farrah would never have managed.

The only other BB villain who came close to the Helen effect was Speidi, who again mixed their villainy with humanity and humour, hence they came a close 2nd to Rylan (who was destined to win from the start).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yeah i get that, i don't mean to be personal about yourself being a Helen-hater like that, so i'm sorry if it came across that way. It just feels like a blanket all out dismissal of Helen from lots of people sometimes, so i'm sorry if i put you wrongly in that bracket.

And yeah you are right, she'd probably never have made it to the final were it not for the pass. But still she pulled off the win, something the real villains - Conor/Perez/Farrah would never have managed.

The only other BB villain who came close to the Helen effect was Speidi, who again mixed their villainy with humanity and humour, hence they came a close 2nd to Rylan (who was destined to win from the start).

For me I see the likes of Perez, Farrah, Speidi almost like cartoon characters, it's all like a show or a performance specifically designed to get themselves airtime, sometimes I like the show they put on (Speidi and perez) and sometimes I don't (farrah) but ultimately I see them all as in a similar category, if you know what I mean?

Conor and Helen I see as similar HMs also, I see them as nasty and bullies but also real so they'll have other sides to their personalities that some people will like enough to over look or make excuses for the not so nice side which I get as well but for me the nasty side of Helen far out weighed the nicer side

[Niamh.]

yeah spot of Tarryn, helen was a bully, Farrah is just an immature loud mouth

[Rob!]

Helen is just evil. Farrah is a product of reality TV from a young and impressionable age.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Helen is just evil. Farrah is a product of reality TV from a young and impressionable age.

Oh.

[Patricia4]

Farrah is rotten to the core.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That is actually a hard question

[joeysteele]

Farrah, Helen at least most of the time had a base for what was behind her nastiness and temper.

Farrah just seems to invent anything and everything to be really horrible to anyone even when they don't really argue back either.

[Amy Jade]

Depends in what sense. Farrah and Helen both offer something of entertainment in some way.

[Dylan95]

Both are equally vile but Helen just beats her

[Ant.]

Well I mean Helen had a lot of warnings and was a bully and had warnings for being a bullying and made things very personal.
Despite that, Helen did apologise even if she didnt mean it and could fake a redemption arc. They're both vile, but Farrah just throws temper tantrums and blames Big Brother her flip flop is broken... they're like £2 in Primark Farrah, chill