[Bailey2Be]

The thing with Farrah is that she is cray cray to the max and her behavior is embarrassing. But she does come across at times as someone who is deeply hurting. When she is in her rage sprouting off nonscence, at times she does seem like she is just so broken underneath it all and is sort of lashing out in a way. Not an excuse for her actions but I know from her past history she hasn't had it easy. Again no excuse and everyone has had bad things happen to them! The father of her child died when she was pregnant with her daughter and it was reported that she's been attacked by guys on multiple occasions. She just seems like a very broken and disturbed girl who really needs help. Maybe a cry for help. She is the poster child for a girl with 'daddy issues'.

[EspeonBB]

Helen by far. Helen comes across as genuinely nasty and wanting to hurt people whilst Farrah just seems crazy

[Xtopher]

The thing is, I CAN stand Farrah. She makes great TV. While Helen on the other hand...

[BB4fan]

They are both amazing too me. I absolutely love them so both.

Helen's already a BB Legend but Farrah is a future one. It's so hard to pick which one I LOVE more...

n e waaaaaze......

Helen and Farrah are both hotties too.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Helen and it isn't close. Helen was just scum, hated her.

What he said

[Kazanne]

Farrah is worse,Helen did at least aknowlege she was sometimes wrong ,also had the ability to apologize and have a laugh and also was kind,Helen just threw some nasty words around,Farrah has a nasty mouth,nasty personality and a nasty face.

[Niamh.]

Helen was kind?

[waterhog]

totally different - Helen was a so called worker and had first had exspoerience of what she was dealing with where as Farrah has built up this reputation via a tv show and twitnit faceboof thing. Helen was real - Farrah is fake.

[Tarryn]

There should have been a third option-Jenna.
She is a total bitch.

[Robodog]

Of course there is no REAL comparison between Helen and the REAL villains - Farrah/Conor/Perez etc.

Conor would NEVER EVER have won, had the public got to vote for him.

Perez DID reach the final but came a rubbish 6th out of 6!

Farrah also would NEVER EVER win (if she even reaches the final).

Helen, however, DID win !! She won !! That's the difference !!

If she really was as bad as Farrah/Conor/Perez then she NEVER would have won. People just wouldn't have voted for her. But they did. Thousands of them. And she won.

The only thing about Helen is that the people who hate her - they really hate her and they can't believe (or even accept sometimes) that other people don't hate her as much as they do. But that is only a minority. Everyone else kind of likes her. Hence she won.

I never get tired of reminding people that - Helen is a BB winner. The reason being she offers a whole range of humanity and humour that the other BB 'villains' just don't have.

Beyond opinion about Helen vs Farrah/Conor/etc, the results speak for themselves.

[Niamh.]

There is no results speaking for themselves when it comes to Conor because he choose to leave, he wasn't evicted and had Helen not had her final pass and "redemption story" she would have gone long long before the final. Also, the Helen V's Ashleigh thing, made people choose a side rather than a winner imo

[Tarryn]

For me the two difference's between Helen & Farrah is that Helen knew when to walk away from an argument (mainly to go bitch about them in the garden) plus Helen knew when to pick her arguments, often going for the weakest link but Farrah does not give a **** who she goes for.
Farrah is just a stupid immature girl.

[Niamh.]

yeah spot of Tarryn, helen was a bully, Farrah is just an immature loud mouth

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There is no results speaking for themselves when it comes to Conor because he choose to leave, he wasn't evicted and had Helen not had her final pass and "redemption story" she would have gone long long before the final. Also, the Helen V's Ashleigh thing, made people choose a side rather than a winner imo

And when it came to the final last year, of ALL the final HMs - the public chose Helen as their winner.

That would never have happened with Conor, Perez or Farrah.

Like i say, some Helen-haters find it hard to accept that other people aren't Helen-haters and that loads of people actually do like her, enough for her to win.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

And when it came to the final last year, of ALL the final HMs - the public chose Helen as their winner.

That would never have happened with Conor, Perez or Farrah.

Like i say, some Helen-haters find it hard to accept that other people aren't Helen-haters and that loads of people actually do like her, enough for her to win.

I'm sure we can discuss this without doing the whole "some Helen haters" bit. I'm well aware that some people liked her. I'm just discussing the circumstances leading up to her winning. They weren't the normal set of circumstances a HM has to get to the point of winning. She didn't make it to the final on her own merits and if she'd not had that pass, she would have been gone a long time before that, I think that's pretty much a definite

[Rob!]

Helen is just evil. Farrah is a product of reality TV from a young and impressionable age.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm sure we can discuss this without doing the whole "some Helen haters" bit. I'm well aware that some people liked her. I'm just discussing the circumstances leading up to her winning. They weren't the normal set of circumstances a HM has to get to the point of winning. She didn't make it to the final on her own merits and if she'd not had that pass, she would have been gone a long time before that, I think that's pretty much a definite

Yeah i get that, i don't mean to be personal about yourself being a Helen-hater like that, so i'm sorry if it came across that way. It just feels like a blanket all out dismissal of Helen from lots of people sometimes, so i'm sorry if i put you wrongly in that bracket.

And yeah you are right, she'd probably never have made it to the final were it not for the pass. But still she pulled off the win, something the real villains - Conor/Perez/Farrah would never have managed.

The only other BB villain who came close to the Helen effect was Speidi, who again mixed their villainy with humanity and humour, hence they came a close 2nd to Rylan (who was destined to win from the start).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yeah i get that, i don't mean to be personal about yourself being a Helen-hater like that, so i'm sorry if it came across that way. It just feels like a blanket all out dismissal of Helen from lots of people sometimes, so i'm sorry if i put you wrongly in that bracket.

And yeah you are right, she'd probably never have made it to the final were it not for the pass. But still she pulled off the win, something the real villains - Conor/Perez/Farrah would never have managed.

The only other BB villain who came close to the Helen effect was Speidi, who again mixed their villainy with humanity and humour, hence they came a close 2nd to Rylan (who was destined to win from the start).

For me I see the likes of Perez, Farrah, Speidi almost like cartoon characters, it's all like a show or a performance specifically designed to get themselves airtime, sometimes I like the show they put on (Speidi and perez) and sometimes I don't (farrah) but ultimately I see them all as in a similar category, if you know what I mean?

Conor and Helen I see as similar HMs also, I see them as nasty and bullies but also real so they'll have other sides to their personalities that some people will like enough to over look or make excuses for the not so nice side which I get as well but for me the nasty side of Helen far out weighed the nicer side

[Patricia4]

Farrah is rotten to the core.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That is actually a hard question

[joeysteele]

Farrah, Helen at least most of the time had a base for what was behind her nastiness and temper.

Farrah just seems to invent anything and everything to be really horrible to anyone even when they don't really argue back either.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

For me I see the likes of Perez, Farrah, Speidi almost like cartoon characters, it's all like a show or a performance specifically designed to get themselves airtime, sometimes I like the show they put on (Speidi and perez) and sometimes I don't (farrah) but ultimately I see them all as in a similar category, if you know what I mean?

Conor and Helen I see as similar HMs also, I see them as nasty and bullies but also real so they'll have other sides to their personalities that some people will like enough to over look or make excuses for the not so nice side which I get as well but for me the nasty side of Helen far out weighed the nicer side

I think Perez and Speidi were definitely cartoon villains 'on purpose' if you like. I don't think Farrah is like that. She has genuine appetite to cause real upset, and she shows genuine glee when she causes it. There was nothing cartoon about her trying to unsettle Bobby mentioning his affair for example. She feeds on the hurt she causes and has no moment of reflection or remorse.

Conor too, refused all Deana's attempts at bridge building and had no mind to apologise or repent or even recognise his wrongness.

Helen was definitely horrible calling Jale 'slugsworth' etc. That was her total low moment for me, but she has reflected and regretted it since in a way the others never did/do. Her row with Matthew was just a stupid blow-up with no real poison, just all flames - plus he gave as good as he got, so fair enough.

Similarly when Brian blew up at Helen, she gave as good as she got (just like Matt did with her). But at least she held out on exploding at Brian on his first two 'attacks' and she only let rip on his third verbal/physical initimidation of her. Helen did nothing wrong in the last series other than to retaliate against Brian's 'attacks', but she still kept being labelled a 'bully' even when she hadn't 'bullied' anyone. Maybe people hadn't got over her treatment of Jale last year and wanted to keep punishing her for that, even though she'd atoned and moved on from it.

For me, Helen's bad sides are the occasional moment of exploding but apart from that, she is a fully rounded human, never afraid to apologise or admit when she is wrong. She can laugh at herself, and when the chips are down she is a caring person that is sympathetic and supportive of others. She is also open minded, funny and game for a laugh. She'd be a good mate in real life i reckon, unlike Conor and Farrah who are totally shut off from others and living in their own egos. Helen often laughs at herself and puts herself down which says a lot about her broad-minded better nature, especially when compared to Farrah/Conor who take themselves 100% seriously with no regrets on their behaviour.

[Amy Jade]

Depends in what sense. Farrah and Helen both offer something of entertainment in some way.

[Dylan95]

Both are equally vile but Helen just beats her

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

I think Perez and Speidi were definitely cartoon villains 'on purpose' if you like. I don't think Farrah is like that. She has genuine appetite to cause real upset, and she shows genuine glee when she causes it. There was nothing cartoon about her trying to unsettle Bobby mentioning his affair for example. She feeds on the hurt she causes and has no moment of reflection or remorse.

Conor too, refused all Deana's attempts at bridge building and had no mind to apologise or repent or even recognise his wrongness.

Helen was definitely horrible calling Jale 'slugsworth' etc. That was her total low moment for me, but she has reflected and regretted it since in a way the others never did/do. Her row with Matthew was just a stupid blow-up with no real poison, just all flames - plus he gave as good as he got, so fair enough.

Similarly when Brian blew up at Helen, she gave as good as she got (just like Matt did with her). But at least she held out on exploding at Brian on his first two 'attacks' and she only let rip on his third verbal/physical initimidation of her. Helen did nothing wrong in the last series other than to retaliate against Brian's 'attacks', but she still kept being labelled a 'bully' even when she hadn't 'bullied' anyone. Maybe people hadn't got over her treatment of Jale last year and wanted to keep punishing her for that, even though she'd atoned and moved on from it.

For me, Helen's bad sides are the occasional moment of exploding but apart from that, she is a fully rounded human, never afraid to apologise or admit when she is wrong. She can laugh at herself, and when the chips are down she is a caring person that is sympathetic and supportive of others. She is also open minded, funny and game for a laugh. She'd be a good mate in real life i reckon, unlike Conor and Farrah who are totally shut off from others and living in their own egos. Helen often laughs at herself and puts herself down which says a lot about her broad-minded better nature, especially when compared to Farrah/Conor who take themselves 100% seriously with no regrets on their behaviour.

I actually missed last nights show but I'm trying to catch up. It's early days still for farrah but so far she's come across to me as that typical reality star who just does and says things that she knows will keep the camera on her.

I guess we could be toing and froing all day about our opinions on Helen and we'll probably never see it the same way