[Jay.]

The fact that fat people can annoy people so much makes me laugh, like leave it to them, if they want to sort their own life out, it's up to them. I wouldn't make a comment about, say, someone's spots, saying that they should get them fixed. It's up to them to go to the doctors, I can't do anything about it. Yes the lifestyle may be bad for them, but it doesn't effect me at all, I might sound selfish but idk how to explain it tbh.

Stuff like this wouldn't help a fat person anyway, it would just make them feel even more depressed about needing to lose weight...

and looking at the types of videos she uploads, they are all just the same lmao, bore off.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Jay.

The fact that fat people can annoy people so much makes me laugh, like leave it to them, if they want to sort their own life out, it's up to them. I wouldn't make a comment about, say, someone's spots, saying that they should get them fixed. It's up to them to go to the doctors, I can't do anything about it.

Stuff like this wouldn't help a fat person anyway, it would just make them feel even more depressed about needing to lose weight...

and looking at the types of videos she uploads, they are all just the same lmao, bore off.

I'm not trying to insult them I just want to help them. I'm a natural carer. When I look at someone who is obese (not fat), I don't laugh, I feel sorry for them. That's just me

[Jay.]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I'm not trying to insult them I just want to help them. I'm a natural carer. When I look at someone who is obese (not fat), I don't laugh, I feel sorry for them.

Oh no, that wasn't about you and I get what you mean. I meant when people make horrible comments or jokes like she did.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Jay.

Oh no, that wasn't about you and I get what you mean. I meant when people make horrible comments or jokes like she did.

Oh, yeah I agree she could've worded it a little nicer.

[Ammi]

..her referring to obese people doesn't make it any better though..I'm sure that they know that 'they're eating themselves to death' but are unable to prevent it from happening because food/eating has become their coping ability and then they feel worse and worse and worse and worse about themselves as their weight increases and so it goes one etc...as if it was all so easy as to say..well just stop eating../just eat to an anorexic../stop drinking to an alcoholic../..stop worrying to someone who suffers anxiety attacks..etc...


..maybe with people through no fault of their own because they've not learned any positive coping skills in life../have not been able to get to that pace for whatever reason...should be anorexic shamed/depression shamed/panic/anxiety attack shamed/insomniac shamed and etc, etc..because that's only right really, they need to pull themselves together...for someone who is so physically attractive herself, then I wonder why she's not more happy in herself and just gets on with her beautifulness rather than feeling the need to make people who already feel bad about themselves, feel even worse..as if they're juts lazy old greedy old people...hmmmm, maybe she doesn't feel that good about herself either and that somehow makes her feel better...either that or she's the dumbest person on earth and thinks that lowering people's self esteem even further will result in raising it...

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..her referring to obese people doesn't make it any better though..I'm sure that they know that 'they're eating themselves to death' but are unable to prevent it from happening because food/eating has become their coping ability and then they feel worse and worse and worse and worse about themselves as their weight increases and so it goes one etc...as if it was all so easy as to say..well just stop eating../just eat to an anorexic../stop drinking to an alcoholic../..stop worrying to someone who suffers anxiety attacks..etc...


..maybe with people through no fault of their own because they've not learned any positive coping skills in life../have not been able to get to that pace for whatever reason...should be anorexic shamed/depression shamed/panic/anxiety attack shamed/insomniac shamed and etc, etc..because that's only right really, they need to pull themselves together...for someone who is so physically attractive herself, then I wonder why she's not more happy in herself and just gets on with her beautifulness rather than feeling the need to make people who already feel bad about themselves, feel even worse..as if they're juts lazy old greedy old people...hmmmm, maybe she doesn't feel that good about herself either and that somehow makes her feel better...either that or she's the dumbest person on earth and thinks that lowering people's self esteem even further will result in raising it...

Aw this is nice Ammi. When you put it like that, it's no wonder. But sometimes you get obese people who don't show any interest in even trying to lose weight.. like that program "too fat to work". Those people are the ones who make me angry, the people who aren't worried about their own health when you have numerous overweight people who are trying so hard to be healthy. Maybe I'm just nosy...

[lostalex]

If someone has a weight problem, it is for the close friends and family of the person to say something and offer help, not some ugly rude nasty stranger like this woman.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Anyway she said in the video that she's talking about majorly obese people, not fat people.

If you're fat then fair do's but if you're obese, then you need to do something about that and if putting it on a plate that they will die if they don't make a change to their diet will make them want to change, then I'm all for it. Lives should not be wasted. There are so many people who die young and aren't allowed to live a full life and these people are just letting their lives go to waste and I feel strongly about it.

Your concern is cancelled out by your support of the method, I'm afraid.

[Kizzy]

It's kind of like those people who sympathise with those with debilitating medical conditions then scream 'get a job!' at anyone on benefits.

[Suze]

She is an attention seeker. Why is she getting so worked up about other peoples needs to deal with their own issues when there are far worse things going on in the world. What an irritating bint she is. She looks like she needs to calm down and get a life away from flaunting herself on you tube or such.

[Livia]

Who on here would insist genuinely disabled people should "get a job"? I'd be willing to bet a month's salary that the answer is none. The people who should be getting a job is the able-bodied long-term unemployed.

[Kizzy]

Anyhoo back to the point.


More than 200,000 people in the UK are dying prematurely because of social inequalities that risk becoming entrenched, a top doctor has said.

Sir Michael Marmot, who had advised the coalition on the link between health and wealth, warned that research revealed a stark “social gradient” emerging in Britain.

The poor not only die on average seven years sooner than the rich, but they can expect to face becoming disabled 17 years earlier. The middle classes in the country had life expectancies of eight years less than the very richest.

However, it was in the field of education where Marmot said the research vividly showed how unfair life was becoming. “If everybody had the same mortality of those with a university education, then we could prevent 202,000 premature deaths of people aged 75 and under each year.”

“If this was caused by a pollutant, there would be people on the streets saying ‘stop it now’. The irony is that the cause is pin-pointable. It is the inequalities in the conditions [in which] we are born, grow, live, work and age, and it’s damaging the health of us all. It is costing us 550 lives a day in the UK alone.”

In his new book, The Health Gap, he argues that those who blame lifestyles miss the point. “Over 30 years, smoking levels have declined while obesity has soared. Have we become more responsible when it comes to smoking and less responsible when it comes to obesity. No.”

I have to say I disagree with him here I feel we are less responsible when it comes to obesity, I don't even think it's a social inequality thing it's just ignorance... only we can control what we put in our bodies.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ives-every-day

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..her referring to obese people doesn't make it any better though..I'm sure that they know that 'they're eating themselves to death' but are unable to prevent it from happening because food/eating has become their coping ability and then they feel worse and worse and worse and worse about themselves as their weight increases and so it goes one etc...as if it was all so easy as to say..well just stop eating../just eat to an anorexic../stop drinking to an alcoholic../..stop worrying to someone who suffers anxiety attacks..etc...


..maybe with people through no fault of their own because they've not learned any positive coping skills in life../have not been able to get to that pace for whatever reason...should be anorexic shamed/depression shamed/panic/anxiety attack shamed/insomniac shamed and etc, etc..because that's only right really, they need to pull themselves together...for someone who is so physically attractive herself, then I wonder why she's not more happy in herself and just gets on with her beautifulness rather than feeling the need to make people who already feel bad about themselves, feel even worse..as if they're juts lazy old greedy old people...hmmmm, maybe she doesn't feel that good about herself either and that somehow makes her feel better...either that or she's the dumbest person on earth and thinks that lowering people's self esteem even further will result in raising it...

The voice of reason as always Ammi.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..her referring to obese people doesn't make it any better though..I'm sure that they know that 'they're eating themselves to death' but are unable to prevent it from happening because food/eating has become their coping ability and then they feel worse and worse and worse and worse about themselves as their weight increases and so it goes one etc...as if it was all so easy as to say..well just stop eating../just eat to an anorexic../stop drinking to an alcoholic../..stop worrying to someone who suffers anxiety attacks..etc...


..maybe with people through no fault of their own because they've not learned any positive coping skills in life../have not been able to get to that pace for whatever reason...should be anorexic shamed/depression shamed/panic/anxiety attack shamed/insomniac shamed and etc, etc..because that's only right really, they need to pull themselves together...for someone who is so physically attractive herself, then I wonder why she's not more happy in herself and just gets on with her beautifulness rather than feeling the need to make people who already feel bad about themselves, feel even worse..as if they're juts lazy old greedy old people...hmmmm, maybe she doesn't feel that good about herself either and that somehow makes her feel better...either that or she's the dumbest person on earth and thinks that lowering people's self esteem even further will result in raising it...

Addiction is a separate issue, not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic and by the same token not all that over eat are food addicts. It's as patronising to suggest to they are all either sad or mad.
The message may be blunt, but for some that may be the tough love approach they need? The softly softly approach can't work for everyone.
Look at the success of boot camps for fitness, being pushed, shouted at or challenged is the catalyst to rethinking eating and/or exercise.

[lostalex]

I want to hire Tonya Harding to smash her knee caps, just to see how long it took this canadian moron to have some sympathy for disabled people.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Addiction is a separate issue, not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic and by the same token not all that over eat are food addicts. It's as patronising to suggest to they are all either sad or mad.
The message may be blunt, but for some that may be the tough love approach they need? The softly softly approach can't work for everyone.
Look at the success of boot camps for fitness, being pushed, shouted at or challenged is the catalyst to rethinking eating and/or exercise.

i disagree, if a person has reached the point where there they are Obese, like 100 pounds or more overweight, then clearly there is an addiction problem or some other medical problem. I don't think someone can accidentally gain 100 pounds just by making poor food choices. they would have to be eating huge amounts of unhealthy food to gain that much weight.

They would clearly have some underlying medical/psychological condition.

[Livia]

Some random amateur making a "you're fat and disgusting" video for YouTube is not 'tough love' for altruistic reasons and is no more effective, I reckon, than some random amateur doing a "you're a drunk and disgusting" video for YouTube and expecting people to sober up. You can't insult people into changing their lifestyle and even if it's effective with one or two people that's not worth all the people you insult.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Some random amateur making a "you're fat and disgusting" video for YouTube is not 'tough love' for altruistic reasons and is no more effective, I reckon, than some random amateur doing a "you're a drunk and disgusting" video for YouTube and expecting people to sober up. You can't insult people into changing their lifestyle and even if it's effective with one or two people that's not worth all the people you insult.

I agree.

[Kizzy]

Over time it's easy to pile on weight, if you take in more calories than you use in a day, It isn't an addiction just human physiology.
There are lots of vids and comedies mocking drinking, it's very acceptable to mock people when they are drunk

Youtube video

I blame myself for turning the conversation to being an alcoholic, if seeing vids like this helps just one then it's worth it to me... if it shames a dozen others I'm ok with that too.

[rubymoo]

Hi Kizzy, wow that video made me howl with laughter it was like watching a Laurel and Hardy short.

But then i got scared when the music stopped

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Over time it's easy to pile on weight, if you take in more calories than you use in a day, It isn't an addiction just human physiology.
There are lots of vids and comedies mocking drinking, it's very acceptable to mock people when they are drunk

Youtube video

I blame myself for turning the conversation to being an alcoholic, if seeing vids like this helps just one then it's worth it to me... if it shames a dozen others I'm ok with that too.

you shouldn't be shaming others at all kizzy. you ****ed up, stop trying to spread your shame on other people. That is one of the most disgusting things about some people, trying to spread their own shame on others... like a child that says "well bobby and billy did it too!!!" or like a person who is speeding on the highway "well other people were speeding too!"

Take responsibility for your damn self and stop trying to spread YOUR shame on OTHERS.

[Amy Jade]

There is a big difference to laughing at somebody whos drunk and falling over than laughing at say an alcoholic in the street causing themselves physical harm.

If you think it's ok to fat shame fine but as somebody whos known what it feels like to be fat shamed from my point of view and many others (Weight Watchers/Slimming World etc) it doesn't work so why not find something more productive to do? why doesn't this rancid bitch in the video stop making videos and offer to train an over weight person? why doesn't she use her 'fame' to be more positive and offer to go to schools to help kids educate themselves? she doesn't give a **** about people apart from herself, being contraversial for attention is her illness.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

There is a big difference to laughing at somebody whos drunk and falling over than laughing at say an alcoholic in the street causing themselves physical harm.

If you think it's ok to fat shame fine but as somebody whos known what it feels like to be fat shamed from my point of view and many others (Weight Watchers/Slimming World etc) it doesn't work so why not find something more productive to do? why doesn't this rancid bitch in the video stop making videos and offer to train an over weight person? why doesn't she use her 'fame' to be more positive and offer to go to schools to help kids educate themselves? she doesn't give a **** about people apart from herself, being contraversial for attention is her illness.

Great post AJ, completely agree.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you shouldn't be shaming others at all kizzy. you ****ed up, stop trying to spread your shame on other people. That is one of the most disgusting things about some people, trying to spread their own shame on others... like a child that says "well bobby and billy did it too!!!" or like a person who is speeding on the highway "well other people were speeding too!"

Take responsibility for your damn self and stop trying to spread YOUR shame on OTHERS.

Is this suddenly about me now?... I thought we were discussing the topic of a you tube video :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

There is a big difference to laughing at somebody whos drunk and falling over than laughing at say an alcoholic in the street causing themselves physical harm.

If you think it's ok to fat shame fine but as somebody whos known what it feels like to be fat shamed from my point of view and many others (Weight Watchers/Slimming World etc) it doesn't work so why not find something more productive to do? why doesn't this rancid bitch in the video stop making videos and offer to train an over weight person? why doesn't she use her 'fame' to be more positive and offer to go to schools to help kids educate themselves? she doesn't give a **** about people apart from herself, being contraversial for attention is her illness.

Is there,
is that not #drunkshaming, could that be a thing now...
People get drunk even if their not alcoholics in the same way people eat unhealthy food and gain weight even though there is no affliction associated perhaps?

I'm confused about this whole 'shaming' phenomenon, it's like the 'offended' one, most get shamed or offended on other peoples behalf and that's silly.
Why would anyone who can maintain their own health want to train someone else, is it not beneficial to take the responsibility for your own body?
There is lots of help, advice and support out there.