[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Eoin

You seem to hold yourself in very high regard there. Masters of what?? I think you need to look at other view points. Not everyone has the same views as you and you'd be a kidding yourself if you thought that.

Masters of Science, Technology, Space Exploration, Medicine, Business, Art, Film, Literature, Music, Fashion....basically everything.

[user104658]

Fighting the very widely, very thinly spread geurilla forces of ISIS using "really big bombs" will definitely work. Definitely. The logic is infallible: it's based on professional exterminators and their advice for how to deal with wasps' nests. You know. When they're like "throw a basketball at it, that'll probably kill all of them."

[Livia]

Russia has never been that bothered about collateral damage.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Russia has never been that bothered about collateral damage.

It's not even about that, unless they actually nuke the entire country off the map. They're trying to fight small, scattered, tribe-like groups of poorly trained (i.e. expendible) fighters using traditional country-vs-county war tactics. It won't work. It didn't work in Afghanistan for the West OR Russia, and it won't work in Syria

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not even about that, unless they actually nuke the entire country off the map. They're trying to fight small, scattered, tribe-like groups of poorly trained (i.e. expendible) fighters using traditional country-vs-county war tactics. It won't work. It didn't work in Afghanistan for the West OR Russia, and it won't work in Syria

Yes, I understand.

And... I agree.



*lays down with a cold compress on my head"

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not even about that, unless they actually nuke the entire country off the map. They're trying to fight small, scattered, tribe-like groups of poorly trained (i.e. expendible) fighters using traditional country-vs-county war tactics. It won't work. It didn't work in Afghanistan for the West OR Russia, and it won't work in Syria

Syria and Iraq are completely different 'Theatre of Wars' than Afghanistan and the latest 'intelligence' is that IS are far more organised and orthadox 'tactics-wise' than previously thought. In any event, the 'CIVILISED' nations have to do SOMETHING before it is all too late.

Perhaps then the inimitable Val Kilmer has the answer in his role of Doc Holliday:

Youtube video

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Syria and Iraq are completely different 'Theatre of Wars' than Afghanistan and the latest 'intelligence' is that IS are far more organised and orthadox 'tactics-wise' than previously thought. In any event, the 'CIVILISED' nations have to do SOMETHING before it is all too late.

Perhaps then the inimitable Val Kilmer has the answer in his role of Doc Holliday:

Youtube video

Iraq (in the beginning) was (technically) a war on a country though, against an entrenched leadership, with a somewhat standard army with defined bases with military equipment that could be destroyed, and with specific capture / conquer objectives. ISIS is an ideology, there's no leadership that isn't easily replaced, no head of the snake. There's nothing to bomb or capture that won't simply result in more displaced, angry people for them to convert to their hateful way of thinking and use as more cannon fodder.

ISIS is everywhere, you can't bomb it, it's like trying to cure someone of a virus by throwing rocks at them until they die.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Iraq (in the beginning) was (technically) a war on a country though, against an entrenched leadership, with a somewhat standard army with defined bases with military equipment that could be destroyed, and with specific capture / conquer objectives. ISIS is an ideology, there's no leadership that isn't easily replaced, no head of the snake. There's nothing to bomb or capture that won't simply result in more displaced, angry people for them to convert to their hateful way of thinking and use as more cannon fodder.

ISIS is everywhere, you can't bomb it, it's like trying to cure someone of a virus by throwing rocks at them until they die.

The old 'Martyr Means Multiplication' crap does not wash with me T.S. I believe in good old maths - the more reductions in a total number, the less that total becomes.

ISIS - like the Islamic religion itself was originally spread - is spread by a combination of intimidation and financial inducement, and very few -- if any --- converts actually believe in its ideologies.

The rationale behind its spread, is the same as that behind the increase in child murder and a host of other crime - there has been no meaningful action taken to stop, punish and deter those responsible.

Success bolsters recruitment, and with each yard forward, with each severed head held aloft, with each ancient monument destroyed with impunity, warped-minded would-be killers flock to join this band of devils. Others, who are more mercenary but guarded, see ISIS unhalted success and decide that the great cash incentives offered to recruits courtesy of the captured oil fields and ransoms paid over to ISIS, are NOW worth the rapidly diminishing risk of being killed for their troubles.

Apathy, lethargy, impotency and dithering on the part of the Western powers have been ISIS's GREATEST recruitment aide.

You are building them up into some mythical status - ISIS is no Hydra. Yes, Commanders and heads can be replaced - but that is so in ANY army, but this is no; 'Cut off its head and two regrows' Hydra scenario.

Start to BEAT them and not only will you deplete their numbers by the 'Dead Injun' method, but those who join for money will think twice, those who have been 'press ganged' into joining ISIS will flee as the chance affords itself, and SUCCESS will breed further success .

They have far reaching tendrils - partly because of Western apathy and lethargy - but they are NOT unbeatable.

There are numerous defunct ideologies, and there is nothing like slaughtering the bastards who hold this evil ideology to ensure that it goes the same way.

[joeysteele]

Putin does appear to have outplayed Obama in this.

Looking at the mess we have left in Libya after our interference there getting rid of Gadaffi, well it may yet still be that Assad will have to be part of a solution.

As unsavoury as that may be, we have left a mess for the likes if IS to move into form our past efforts in the region, maybe Putin will succeed where Obama and us never could.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Putin does appear to have outplayed Obama in this.

Looking at the mess we have left in Libya after our interference there getting rid of Gadaffi, well it may yet still be that Assad will have to be part of a solution.

As unsavoury as that may be, we have left a mess for the lies if IS to move into form our past efforts in the region, maybe Putin will succeed where Obama and us never could.

Good post Joey.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Good post Joey.

Thank you Kirk and I agree with your first post above too, well said.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Putin does appear to have outplayed Obama in this.

Looking at the mess we have left in Libya after our interference there getting rid of Gadaffi, well it may yet still be that Assad will have to be part of a solution.

As unsavoury as that may be, we have left a mess for the likes if IS to move into form our past efforts in the region, maybe Putin will succeed where Obama and us never could.

Bang On right Joey
Novo's Putin
is The Man in Charge

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Bang On right Joey
Novo's Putin
is The Man in Charge

he's in charge like the Joker is in charge of Arkham.

[waterhog]

the whole thing is a mess - but what is the next move to sorting it out ? we need head round a table.

[waterhog]

I think our hands are tied - and it must not be a usa or uk led action - the world need to act but it aint gonner happen.

[lostalex]

Hillary knows how to deal with Putin. She will stare down that beady-eye'd, man titty having, napoleon-wannabe little nerd.

She will tell him how things are, and he ain't gonna do nothin about it. She is the strong leader we need to counter Putin.

[Livia]

I wonder how long it will take for Russia to bomb the Kurds for Assad?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wonder how long it will take for Russia to bomb the Kurds for Assad?

considering the rate Putin has ramped things up and his ZERO ****s given about the rest of the world, i wouldn't be shocked if he nuked Kiev tomorrow. He really is acting like a man that has no ****s to give.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

considering the rate Putin has ramped things up and his ZERO ****s given about the rest of the world, i wouldn't be shocked if he nuked Kiev tomorrow. He really is acting like man that has no ****s to give.

Yeah, that's what worries me. Putin thinks he is free to do whatever he likes and at the moment, he pretty much is. If he joined up with the rest of the world trying to fight IS and bring about the end of the conflict in Syria it'd be a great coup... sadly he's got his own agenda.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, that's what worries me. Putin thinks he is free to do whatever he likes and at the moment, he pretty much is. If he joined up with the rest of the world trying to fight IS and bring about the end of the conflict in Syria it'd be a great coup... sadly he's got his own agenda.

He doesn't care about people. not even his own people. He cares about being a historical figure. he's a megalomaniac. just look at how he orchestrated his presidency, having a stand in to get around the limitations of presidential terms with Medvedev as his puppet, just waiting in the wings that whole time scheming. he really is a scary nefarious character. The narcissistic photo opportunities he insists on killing tigers or going deep sea diving. he's a lunatic.

Hillary definitely knows this and would not give him a ****ing inch.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, that's what worries me. Putin thinks he is free to do whatever he likes and at the moment, he pretty much is. If he joined up with the rest of the world trying to fight IS and bring about the end of the conflict in Syria it'd be a great coup... sadly he's got his own agenda.

Exactly my point.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

considering the rate Putin has ramped things up and his ZERO ****s given about the rest of the world, i wouldn't be shocked if he nuked Kiev tomorrow. He really is acting like a man that has no ****s to give.

More anti Russian drivel...... Wish Putin would drop a few nukes , preferably on California

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

More anti Russian drivel...... Wish Putin would drop a few nukes , preferably on California

No One War at a time N.

[Northern Monkey]

British troops being stationed in the Baltic states to 'Deter more Russian agression'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34472739

[Livia]

Agree, lostalex.

And he has cold, dead, shark eyes.