[Vicky.]

Go North east also..they have a thing where if a wheelchair user wants to get on and there is no space (this means another wheelchair user is on as far as I know, not someone refusing to move but I have never seen it in action as honestly, there aren't many wheelchair users that use buses) they will call a taxi and pay for it for them. Not perfect, but better than elsewhere

[arista]

Yes Vicky
1 Wheelchair on the thats fine.

But a Mother REFUSING to move is EVIL
ref : Court Case
She Lost

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Vicky
1 Wheelchair on the thats fine.

But a Mother REFUSING to move is EVIL
ref : Court Case
She Lost

Depends on the circumstances tbh. Would you say the mother in my post above was evil? The one with a disabled child in a large pram that did not move for another disabled person just because their child was younger than the other person (who it actually turned out, could sit on a normal chair)

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Depends on the circumstances tbh. Would you say the mother in my post above was evil? The one with a disabled child in a large pram that did not move for another disabled person just because their child was younger than the other person (who it actually turned out, could sit on a normal chair)

That was one instance Vicky, and of course the onus is not on the disabled child to move, in that instance the outcome of the case would have been different.
It does not negate the need for protections for disabled persons using a service.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That was one instance Vicky, and of course the onus is not on the disabled child to move, in that instance the outcome of the case would have been different.
It does not negate the need for protections for disabled persons using a service.

Of course not. But noone knows the circumstances of another. I have quite strong views on this as I am apparently classed as disabled at the moment given my long history of pain issues and such. I was on a bus a few months back on my way to the pain clinic and some old woman got on and started bawling and shouting at me for sitting in the priority seats when I am 'a young fit woman' and apparently I was just lazy and so on. I was in so much pain that instead of standing my ground I broke down crying, and I never ****ing cry in public. Horrible old witch.

Edit. Come to think of it, I had that before too when heavily pregnant with Skye. Another old woman yelling at me because I didn't offer her a seat...even though I was obviously pregnant and the bus was filled so why zone in on me...

But yeah, I imagine some parents (not just mothers arista) are just selfish bastards who refuse to move. But again, as withano says, just how common is this problem? I never heard of it at all until this one case so its happened...once? It shouldn't happen at all, but this is hardly widespread.

[DemolitionRed]

You make some good points Vicky

I was on the disability key scheme when I was fighting cancer. This allowed me to access disabled toilets when I was out and about. You have this master key which fits into the lock of a disability toilet. There are plenty of none key disability toilets around and before I had cancer, I used to give dirty looks to non-disabled people using that service. I now realize that you don't have to look disabled to be disabled. We should never judge a book by its cover.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course not. But noone knows the circumstances of another. I have quite strong views on this as I am apparently classed as disabled at the moment given my long history of pain issues and such. I was on a bus a few months back on my way to the pain clinic and some old woman got on and started bawling and shouting at me for sitting in the priority seats when I am 'a young fit woman' and apparently I was just lazy and so on. I was in so much pain that instead of standing my ground I broke down crying, and I never ****ing cry in public. Horrible old witch.

Edit. Come to think of it, I had that before too when heavily pregnant with Skye. Another old woman yelling at me because I didn't offer her a seat...even though I was obviously pregnant and the bus was filled so why zone in on me...

But yeah, I imagine some parents (not just mothers arista) are just selfish bastards who refuse to move. But again, as withano says, just how common is this problem? I never heard of it at all until this one case so its happened...once? It shouldn't happen at all, but this is hardly widespread.

Aw Vicky what an ol hag

It won't be all that common no as in the majority of cases there will be some compromise made, I'm glad this was a point of principle though.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Depends on the circumstances tbh. Would you say the mother in my post above was evil? The one with a disabled child in a large pram that did not move for another disabled person just because their child was younger than the other person (who it actually turned out, could sit on a normal chair)

I think the case of the mother with a disabled child is slightly different. However in general those with buggies, big heavy prams shouldn't be allowed on buses, should move when required to do so.

Also they should not be allowed to leave pushchairs in this space when they sit somewhere else on the bus. It should be folded and put in the luggage rack. If they want their own spaces then perhaps they should campaign by chaining themselves to buses, the way wheelchair users did.

They worked hard for those spaces and the spaces were designed specifically for them. Pushchair users have very selfishly hijacked them.

[Kizzy]

Lots of wheelchair users use buses here, they 'kneel' as in dip a little, then a ramp is folded out.
Paying for a taxi is a lovely gesture, couldn't see firstbus ( main company operating in Leeds) doing that!

[Northern Monkey]

It's a tricky one.There is a bus route near me that i was on recently that is extremely busy at certain times.When i got on the whole bus was packed upstairs and downstairs.I had to stand and the driver kept letting people on.There was two pushchairs on and people standing front to back.If a wheelchair user had wanted to get on then half the people standing downstairs would've had to get off aswell as the mothers with pushchairs.So i think it should really depend on the circumstances.I don't think it's really workable to create strict rules on priority.It really should be left to common sense imo.

[Vicky.]

The only 'change' that would make sense, is to have a specific wheelchair bay that cannot under any circumstances be used by anyone not in a wheelchair. This means no cramming extra people on the bus as some drivers do, no buggies can use it ever, no little old ladies with their shopping trolly things...nothing. Even then you have the issue of, its being occupied by a wheelchair user and another wheelchair user needs to get on.

And of course, doing this would mean that even more often than already happens, buses would drive straight past you...not through choice but by necessity. Unless money will be put into the bus services to put on extra transport, which I doubt.

All in all, this case and the outcome won't change anything. Entitled asshats will continue to be entitled asshats whilst the option is there.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The only 'change' that would make sense, is to have a specific wheelchair bay that cannot under any circumstances be used by anyone not in a wheelchair. This means no cramming extra people on the bus as some drivers do, no buggies can use it ever, no little old ladies with their shopping trolly things...nothing. Even then you have the issue of, its being occupied by a wheelchair user and another wheelchair user needs to get on.

And of course, doing this would mean that even more often than already happens, buses would drive straight past you...not through choice but by necessity. Unless money will be put into the bus services to put on extra transport, which I doubt.

All in all, this case and the outcome won't change anything. Entitled asshats will continue to be entitled asshats whilst the option is there.

Maybe they could install a bar around the space to seal it off and that can only be accessed by a key which would be given to the wheelchair user when they get on the bus. That would stop all the ignorant idiots out there.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe they could install a bar around the space to seal it off and that can only be accessed by a key which would be given to the wheelchair user when they get on the bus. That would stop all the ignorant idiots out there.

Yup indeed. A solution like this is an actual solution... But again, more funding needs to be given. Or prices need to rise again. Its already cheaper for 2 of us to get a taxi wherever we need to go than pay 2 bus tickets

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yup indeed. A solution like this is an actual solution... But again, more funding needs to be given. Or prices need to rise again. Its already cheaper for 2 of us to get a taxi wherever we need to go than pay 2 bus tickets

It is ridiculous - crap services for extortionate prices.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It is ridiculous - crap services for extortionate prices.

Registered disabled are usually entitled to a free travel card which allows them to travel for free.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yup indeed. A solution like this is an actual solution... But again, more funding needs to be given. Or prices need to rise again. Its already cheaper for 2 of us to get a taxi wherever we need to go than pay 2 bus tickets

The problem is, unless its a London style taxi, most wheelchair users can't be accommodated, especially with the none fold up electric chairs.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The problem is, unless its a London style taxi, most wheelchair users can't be accommodated, especially with the none fold up electric chairs.

Oh yes, its harder for those in wheelchairs to get around for sure.

The taxi moan was just me moaning about the ridiculous prices of bus travel these days No way should a taxi be cheaper than TWO single fares to somewhere.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe they could install a bar around the space to seal it off and that can only be accessed by a key which would be given to the wheelchair user when they get on the bus. That would stop all the ignorant idiots out there.

Instead of a key it could just scan their bus pass to unlock an electric lock.

The thing is though it could put pushchair users off using busses and drive() more of them to use cars.The green people wouldn't be happy about that.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Instead of a key it could just scan their bus pass to unlock an electric lock.

The thing is though it could put pushchair users off using busses and drive() more of them to use cars.The green people wouldn't be happy about that.

Yes scanning via their bus pass would be even better.

Thing is there are a lot of Chavs that use the buses - loud ignorant people who don't give a damn about others. These people are the most likely to refuse to move their pushchairs. I think that those that can drive will do so anyway.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Yes scanning via their bus pass would be even better.

Thing is there are a lot of Chavs that use the buses - loud ignorant people who don't give a damn about others. These people are the most likely to refuse to move their pushchairs. I think that those that can drive will do so anyway.

Ukippers?

[jaxie]

I think that those in a wheelchair should always be given precedence where space has been allocated for them but I wouldn't like to see young mothers turned off buses either. I think more clarity from the bus company perhaps. This is your space 'disabled' and this is yours 'mothers'.

[DemolitionRed]

Bus drivers are now obliged to stop, get off their arse and assist mothers with prams and people in wheelchairs.

Parents who regularly use public transport should consider appropriate pushchairs and prams for their children. Most prams come apart and pushchairs fold up. Babies are light and can be lifted out and held by a parent.

Someone in a wheelchair likely can't get out, can't fold up their chair and safely take a bus seat. Instead of legs that work, they are dependent on a machines so I agree with those who think wheelchairs should take priority.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

To me he is, although I was of corse referring to many of those who vote for him. In my opinion he would ruin our country if he got the chance. One of those who doesn't value our own culture and gives priority to the cultures of others with little concern for the long-term effects of his 'open-door policies' on the rest of this country.

Chav's in my book are mainly benefit claimants who make a career out of being unemployed. The are loud mouthed, rough, lazy and ignorant of others. Labour is historically more generous with handing out benefits than the Tories so therefore they are more popular with the chavs. People can often have a foot in both camps when agreeing/disagreeing with certain policies so they may or may not fly flags and set dogs on people. Chav's all the same.

^ chav stands for council house and violent. Obviously Corbyn does not fit the bill lol. I think to most the country, chavs are seen as UKIP/Britain First/EDL supporters.. You know, the sort of people who dont have jobs and therefore support the parties that blame other people for them not having jobs etc.. Labour is more middle class to me...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

^ chav stands for council house and violent. Obviously Corbyn does not fit the bill lol. I think to most the country, chavs are seen as UKIP/Britain First/EDL supporters.. You know, the sort of people who dont have jobs and therefore support the parties that blame other people for them not having jobs etc.. Labour is more middle class to me...

Labour has never been middle-class - it has always been the party for the working class, originally with good intentions to create a fairer society.

Tories were more middle class and the lib-deems a mixture of both. This doesn't of course mean there isn't a mix of people in all parties but to call Labour a middle-class party is ridiculous.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Labour has never been middle-class - it has always been the party for the working class, originally with good intentions to create a fairer society.

Tories were more middle class and the lib-deems a mixture of both. This doesn't of course mean there isn't a mix of people in all parties but to call Labour a middle-class party is ridiculous.

used to be 60 yrs ago now theyre all for themselves a really disgusting party. I include corbyn in that too. a man who says hes kind and caring and considerate yet would soon run the economy bankrupt and sell us out to europe and destroy our safety