[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by TomC

Lotan totally overreacted. It's like the Rebecca daughter thing, she didn't say anything about his son - she just said he was a poor role model. WHich he is. He was being ****ing vile to her before it all kicked off

How many children do you have?

[TomC]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How many children do you have?

**** all

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by TomC

Lotan totally overreacted. It's like the Rebecca daughter thing, she didn't say anything about his son - she just said he was a poor role model. WHich he is. He was being ****ing vile to her before it all kicked off

Yeah I'm gonna diagree. Not that I am defending anything that happened tonight but what was said about Lotan was a bit more personal that what was said to Joe which was a more general comment.

[azi]

Chanelle is right. If Lotan or someone else from that side said something like this it wouldn't be a big deal but because It's Isabelle they all acted like she killed someone.

[Epic.]

It's also not really that bad since Lotan went low with her first about a) repeatedly mocking her appearance and b) constantly talking down and demeaning her opinions whenever she opened her mouth

[y.winter]

He's somebody's father!!!

[sungrass]

Agree = cant stand him "your not intelligent enough for me to talk to" -thats proper mean girl and getting his gang to ghost her and ostracise her when she is just 21 - terrible role model for his son.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sungrass

Agree = cant stand him "your not intelligent enough for me to talk to" -thats proper mean girl and getting his gang to ghost her and ostracise her when she is just 21 - terrible role model for his son.

Yeah exactly all that is awful behaviour and she was pointing that out to him. He doesn't deserve her respect, what she said was accurate and well deserved.

You're not being a good role model for your son means The way you're treating me isn't acceptable behaviour She said **** all about his son

I can't believe after all the things he did and said to her that people are saying what she said was worse, it's baffling tbh

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly all that is awful behaviour and she was pointing that out to him. He doesn't deserve her respect, what she said was accurate and well deserved.

You're not being a good role model for your son means The way you're treating me isn't acceptable behaviour She said **** all about his son

I can't believe after all the things he did and said to her that people are saying what she said was worse, it's baffling tbh

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly all that is awful behaviour and she was pointing that out to him. He doesn't deserve her respect, what she said was accurate and well deserved.

You're not being a good role model for your son means The way you're treating me isn't acceptable behaviour She said **** all about his son

I can't believe after all the things he did and said to her that people are saying what she said was worse, it's baffling tbh

She knew damm well that all she had to do was bring up the mere mention of his son or girlfriends names to use them as a trigger. I agree the content of her verbage was in whole pretty soft, but when you know that it has made him angry before, these outsiders act like a trigger to kick him off. She is a bitch and all bitches know how to push buttons. All she has is her figure and her false hair and false tan. What else does she have to work with, Kieran has already outed her as a sperm bank.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

She knew damm well that all she had to do was bring up the mere mention of his son or girlfriends names to use them as a trigger. I agree the content of her verbage was in whole pretty soft, but when you know that it has made him angry before, these outsiders act like a trigger to kick him off. She is a bitch and all bitches know how to push buttons. All she has is her figure and her false hair and false tan. What else does she have to work with, Kieran has already outed her as a sperm bank.

You may be right Sam but it doesn't take away from the fact that A- She was correct, his behaviour towards her was appalling and B- He should be able to control himself better than that

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You may be right Sam but it doesn't take away from the fact that A- She was correct, his behaviour towards her was appalling and B- He should be able to control himself better than that

Next time you shout at one of your kids or hubby, leave it for a day or 2 and analise why you did it and were you right. If you feel you were wrong and could have handled it better, then that is the day you have discovered your own flash point. My flashpoint is way higher than my wifes, so we are all different. Obviously Miss Tangoed knew where Lotans flashpoint lay and she used it.

Emotions are very strong triggers. You can call a womans baby ugly and she will smack you but on the other hand you can call someone elses baby she ugly and she will walk away and laugh at you. same story different reactions.

All I am saying is that Miss Tangoed knows who has low flashpoints and how to tweek them. Mark my words, she will now start on Joe as he has a low FP but Kieran would destroy her by turning it back on her.

[Withano]

What she said wasnt bad... but I think she intended it to be.

[Cal.]

They seem to just hear the 'son' or 'daughter' bit and it takes them to another level.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cal.

They seem to just hear the 'son' or 'daughter' bit and it takes them to another level.

Do you have children ? If not ,when you do and someone says anything remotely negative about them or you regarding parenting,then you may understand Lotan being hurt, if you haven't got kids ,you wont really get it.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Do you have children ? If not ,when you do and someone says anything remotely negative about them or you regarding parenting,then you may understand Lotan being hurt, if you haven't got kids ,you wont really get it.

Don't really understand how my posts warrants this but whatever.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Don't really understand how my posts warrants this but whatever.

Just asking a simple question as people seem to think what she said was no big deal,but you don't have to answer

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just asking a simple question as people seem to think what she said was no big deal,but you don't have to answer

I didn't say that I said I think when people hear their loved one's name ('son' or 'daughter') it takes them to another level anger wise regardless of what was actually said. Like when Joe blew up as soon as he heard his daughter being mentioned by Rebecca.

[bots]

She poked an angry bear with a stick until it got a reaction. Simple as that.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

She poked an angry bear with a stick until it got a reaction. Simple as that.

I think you've got this the wrong way round. Lotan poked a bear until he got a reaction, through his constant demeaning and condescending comments towards Isabelle.

During the game, Chanelle objected several times to the group, led by Lotan, repeatedly picking on Isabelle. Why should she sit there and take it, without reacting!?

Lotan provoked her and pushed her too far and got what he deserved.

[Cal.]

As Lotan said himself, if you can't take the heat get out the bloody kitchen!

[Vanessa]

It was out of order.

[Garfie]

In the diary room BB said the following to Lotan: "Big Brother has also spoken to you previously about isolating and intimidating behaviour, particularly towards women.....Last night you threw your drink angrily at Isabelle, Chanelle and Hannah and then threw the empty bottle across the room. Later in the bedroom and then in the Diary Room, you used threatening language about a fellow housemate....."

The fact that BB has mentioned that they have already spoken to Lotan about 'isolating and intimidating behaviour, particularly towards women' gives us a clear idea of how he has been behaving in general and shows this was not a one-off. If he has been constantly doing that to Isabelle, she obviously got to the point where she'd had enough when she made her comment. We saw him trying to belittle and humiliate her during the bottle game and this has been ongoing as BB mentions.

I think there was a massive over-reaction to what Isabelle said. She has not said he is a bad father or that his son would be ashamed of him. She has merely said he is a bad role model, and is therefore commenting on his behaviour in the house and not on his parenting.

BB's comments and the statement from The Dreamboys show that Isabelle is not the only one thinking he is a poor role model.

Lotan has behaved appallingly and pushed Isabelle to the point of making that comment. No-one is to blame for what happened to Lotan but Lotan himself.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Garfie

In the diary room BB said the following to Lotan: "Big Brother has also spoken to you previously about isolating and intimidating behaviour, particularly towards women.....Last night you threw your drink angrily at Isabelle, Chanelle and Hannah and then threw the empty bottle across the room. Later in the bedroom and then in the Diary Room, you used threatening language about a fellow housemate....."

The fact that BB has mentioned that they have already spoken to Lotan about 'isolating and intimidating behaviour, particularly towards women' gives us a clear idea of how he has been behaving in general and shows this was not a one-off. If he has been constantly doing that to Isabelle, she obviously got to the point where she'd had enough when she made her comment. We saw him trying to belittle and humiliate her during the bottle game and this has been ongoing as BB mentions.

I think there was a massive over-reaction to what Isabelle said. She has not said he is a bad father or that his son would be ashamed of him. She has merely said he is a bad role model, and is therefore commenting on his behaviour in the house and not on his parenting.

BB's comments and the statement from The Dreamboys show that Isabelle is not the only one thinking he is a poor role model.

Lotan has behaved appallingly and pushed Isabelle to the point of making that comment. No-one is to blame for what happened to Lotan but Lotan himself.

Great post

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by TomC

Lotan totally overreacted. It's like the Rebecca daughter thing, she didn't say anything about his son - she just said he was a poor role model. WHich he is. He was being ****ing vile to her before it all kicked off

As I said ,If you haven't got kids you wont understand why Lotans feelings were hurt,it's just a throw away line to most but to a parent it is personal,I myself would have got annoyed over that,Lotan reacted wrongly, but I understand why, and really Isabell has some neck to talk about role models.she needs to clean her own doorstep before she comments on others.