[Kizzy]

Oh... Look over there!!! LOOK !! LOOK!! Don't look at what is the actual and immediate issue here and now.

Pathetic! Sad pathetic attempt to suggest that anti fascists are to blame for the increasing violence from the alt right in the west.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh... Look over there!!! LOOK !! LOOK!! Don't look at what is the actual and immediate issue here and now.

Pathetic! Sad pathetic attempt to suggest that anti fascists are to blame for the increasing violence from the alt right in the west.

That's part of the problem - some people refuse to see how their contribution in terms of behaviour contributed to a volatile situation spiralling out of control.

Why ccouldn't they just let those idiots have their little demonstration. Not to give them the publicity would have made more sense. They couldn't because they were trouble makers looking to make trouble. It isn't rocket science. They bear some responsibility for what happened like it is not.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That's part of the problem - some people refuse to see how their contribution in terms of behaviour contributed to a volatile situation spiralling out of control.

Why ccouldn't they just let those idiots have their little demonstration. Not to give them the publicity would have made more sense. They couldn't because they were trouble makers looking to make trouble. It isn't rocket science. They bear some responsibility for what happened like it is not.

Exactly. They could have just laughed at how idiotic they are and gone on social media and meme'd the heck out of them. But the left don't do laughter, they do censor.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Exactly. They could have just laughed at how idiotic they are and gone on social media and meme'd the heck out of them. But the left don't do laughter, they do censor.

They do indeed Alf. Who do people think they are trying to censor people all the time.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

They do indeed Alf. Who do people think they are trying to censor people all the time.

So you think the Nazi's of the far-right should have the right to voice their repugnant views and opinions on the streets of US and UK towns and cities do you ?

Wow!!!!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Exactly. They could have just laughed at how idiotic they are and gone on social media and meme'd the heck out of them. But the left don't do laughter, they do censor.

Ahh yes. If there's one thing those "on the right" are known for, it's their unshakeable sense of humour.



Those lefties just need to watch some Dad's Army and relax.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ahh yes. If there's one thing those "on the right" are known for, it's their unshakeable sense of humour.



Those lefties just need to watch some Dad's Army and relax.

Amen to that brother.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That's part of the problem - some people refuse to see how their contribution in terms of behaviour contributed to a volatile situation spiralling out of control.

Why ccouldn't they just let those idiots have their little demonstration. Not to give them the publicity would have made more sense. They couldn't because they were trouble makers looking to make trouble. It isn't rocket science. They bear some responsibility for what happened like it is not.

What should people do to protest against fascists and neo nazis?

Give me one thing that can be done that would show the depth of feeling that would counter that venom, waving flowers? placards?

People are looking towards the establishment and what are they doing....Nothing, turning a blind eye to the hate filled rabble because the sad fact is it's state sanctioned.

It's not just a few idiots having a rant, it's an uprising. Nobody deserves any blame for railing against it. If you can't see that this is what legions of people fought and died to protect us from having to experience again then I pity you. You are not just blinkered but blind.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What should people do to protest against fascists and neo nazis?

Give me one thing that can be done that would show the depth of feeling that would counter that venom, waving flowers? placards?

People are looking towards the establishment and what are they doing....Nothing, turning a blind eye to the hate filled rabble because the sad fact is it's state sanctioned.

It's not just a few idiots having a rant, it's an uprising. Nobody deserves any blame for railing against it. If you can't see that this is what legions of people fought and died to protect us from having to experience again then I pity you. You are not just blinkered but blind.

Those that died did so because they loved their country and their way of life. They were trying to protect us all from the control of a mass murderer who had committed the genocide of millions.

Please enlighten me as to how that compares to today. Who exactly do you see as the next Hitler? Could you be over-reacting a bit there. I find you using their brave sacrifice as a weapon to try to control the thoughts of others quite disrespectful.

Personally I see much more controlling forces than a few extreme right wing thugs.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Those that died did so because they loved their country and their way of life. They were trying to protect us all from the control of a mass murderer who had committed the genocide of millions.

Please enlighten me as to how that compares to today. Who exactly do you see as the next Hitler? Could you be over-reacting a bit there. I find you using their brave sacrifice as a weapon to try to control the thoughts of others quite disrespectful.

Personally I see much more controlling forces than a few extreme right wing thugs.

I find your brand of thought control disrespectful frankly, it compares in respect to the media sanctioned propaganda that infects minds against sub sections the way it did in the 30s.

There is no one entity but a lurch toward an ideology that relies on the divide and conquer method, and it's working.

As I've said should you find those fighting against fascism to be on a par with those actively advocating fascism then you have my sympathy.

[DemolitionRed]

You know, I actually feel quite sorry for racists. In nearly all cases, they’ve grown up with it. They’ve been conditioned to hate often from an early age.
We need to re-educate these people and have them understand that human variation is a good thing and that race is a construct… its not real. You can’t look at the DNA of anyone and say, that person is this race because races don’t exist.

Racism is tribal and yet, scientifically speaking, there is only one race… the human race.

The question is, how do we get that message across to our fellow hateful homosapiens ?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You know, I actually feel quite sorry for racists. In nearly all cases, they’ve grown up with it. They’ve been conditioned to hate often from an early age.We need to re-educate these people and have them understand that human variation is a good thing and that race is a construct… its not real. You can’t look at the DNA of anyone and say, that person is this race because races don’t exist.

Racism is tribal and yet, scientifically speaking, there is only one race… the human race.

The question is, how do we get that message across to our fellow hateful homosapiens ?

Everyone hates something.

What do you think Trump has got since the day he decided to run for President? Hate, none stop. Why is that hate acceptable?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Everyone hates something.

What do you think Trump has got since the day he decided to run for President? Hate, none stop. Why is that hate acceptable?

Double standards. Everyone thinks they know best. The human condition.

Anyone who thinks the world will live in peace and harmony if only they could 'educate ' them. Beyond pompous.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

Everyone hates something.

What do you think Trump has got since the day he decided to run for President? Hate, none stop. Why is that hate acceptable?

If you choose to run a country, expect hatred from the opposition. If you choose to be controversial in the way you run that country, expect hate from the majority.

You're right, I hate artichokes and I hate feeling like I've had one too many but I think that's a little different to all out hatred against someone you don't know.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You know, I actually feel quite sorry for racists. In nearly all cases, they’ve grown up with it. They’ve been conditioned to hate often from an early age.
We need to re-educate these people and have them understand that human variation is a good thing and that race is a construct… its not real. You can’t look at the DNA of anyone and say, that person is this race because races don’t exist.

Racism is tribal and yet, scientifically speaking, there is only one race… the human race.

The question is, how do we get that message across to our fellow hateful homosapiens ?

Do you apply that to everyone I wonder. It might be good to start with religion as hate between religions is often the worse.

PC is pretty tribal too.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Do you apply that to everyone I wonder. It might be good to start with religion as hate between religions is often the worse.

PC is pretty tribal too.

Why would I need to start with religion when what I said was on topic?

Why is there so much hate between religions?
Why is there so much hate in the school playground?
Why do so many people hate child or animal abusers?
Why do so many employees hate their employer?

We could have all these topics if you like but right now we are discussing prejudice against people of color.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Why would I need to start with religion when what I said was on topic?

Why is there so much hate between religions?
Why is there so much hate in the school playground?
Why do so many people hate child or animal abusers?
Why do so many employees hate their employer?

We could have all these topics if you like but right now we are discussing prejudice against people of color.

Maybe because hatred in religion is often based on race and sex.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Do you apply that to everyone I wonder. It might be good to start with religion as hate between religions is often the worse.

PC is pretty tribal too.

Yes, there's plenty of cave drawings of cavemen telling each other to check their privilege scattered throughout the world.

[jaxie]

What we do with regard racism is integrate children. I went to a school where we were a mix of colours and I grew up not really seeing colour, just people. I just do not look at someone based on what colour their skin is. In fact the only time I do notice the colour of someone's skin is when you notice how pretty a dark skin colour can be. I'm pretty pale and can appreciate the beauty of a warm rich colour. Segregation and communities who isolate or are isolated is where resentment and difference start.

I have to say I'm pretty disgusted by some of the accusations towards other members about Nazis in this thread. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I have to say I'm pretty disgusted by some of the accusations about Nazis in this thread. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Color me confused?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Color me confused?

Accusations toward other members.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Accusations toward other members.

Oh, well I haven't done that, though its sorely tempting.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What we do with regard racism is integrate children. I went to a school where we were a mix of colours and I grew up not really seeing colour, just people. I just do not look at someone based on what colour their skin is. In fact the only time I do notice the colour of someone's skin is when you notice how pretty a dark skin colour can be. I'm pretty pale and can appreciate the beauty of a warm rich colour. Segregation and communities who isolate or are isolated is where resentment and difference start.

I have to say I'm pretty disgusted by some of the accusations towards other members about Nazis in this thread. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

And they always get away with it. If others with different views made the same kind of abhorrent allegations there would have been bans by now. Seems we are all supposed to be too stupid to notice that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I have to say I'm pretty disgusted by some of the accusations towards other members about Nazis in this thread. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Do you mean the statement of fact that some people are expressing sympathies, however small, towards those with white supremacist / Nazi tendencies...

...which was disingenuously represented by those who it was aimed at as "calling them Nazis", most likely in an attempt to manipulate a warning/ban, when it was, in fact, not that, but exactly as described above?



There are Nazi / supremacist sympathies expressed in this thread. If that makes people uncomfortable, then they should probably stop doing it.

[Oliver_W]

The extremes on both sides are to blame for violence over the past few years. It wasn't right wingers who smashed up Berkely because they didn't want someone to give a talk, and BLM (who frequently destroy high streets) aren't right wing.