[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As far as I know, it's just a confirmation of identity? Like they have supplied evidence to Twitter that they really are the person in their pic / bio, and not a "fake account". I guess back in it's earlier days it would mostly be celebrities that needed verified / official accounts because they would be the most likely to have their account cloned, but these days I guess anyone who "uses their name professionally" might need to protect themselves from cloned accounts and imposters. Especially people who get into "heated subjects" and are likely to be targetted by someone with an axe to grind.

I think it should be offered to everyone as standard really... a "certification" mark if you supply proof of identity. My wife had her facebook account cloned by a malicious little **** half way around the world a few years ago, who she had argued with on a random page, and he had taken her pictures and name and started posting slanderous crap everywhere. It took facebook FOREVER to sort it out and have the account removed.

This is exactly why I do not participate in 'Social Media'. I think it's a 'scary' thing.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As far as I know, it's just a confirmation of identity? Like they have supplied evidence to Twitter that they really are the person in their pic / bio, and not a "fake account". I guess back in it's earlier days it would mostly be celebrities that needed verified / official accounts because they would be the most likely to have their account cloned, but these days I guess anyone who "uses their name professionally" might need to protect themselves from cloned accounts and imposters. Especially people who get into "heated subjects" and are likely to be targetted by someone with an axe to grind.

I think it should be offered to everyone as standard really... a "certification" mark if you supply proof of identity. My wife had her facebook account cloned by a malicious little **** half way around the world a few years ago, who she had argued with on a random page, and he had taken her pictures and name and started posting slanderous crap everywhere. It took facebook FOREVER to sort it out and have the account removed.

It's not offered to everyone. It never used to even be something we could request I don't think? I remember first seeing it and looking it up to see how to get them and there wasn't an article. Sometimes a celebrity would have an account, we would know it, but they never received a checkmark for the longest time until they had more activity... enough to get noticed anyway.

Now they take requests, but they don't generally give it to them unless they meet some unknown criteria, and it's cherry picked. They decide who gets them.

[Marsh.]

"she's written books about people turning into cats and dead people, but trans folk are beyond all comprehension?"

Where do they find these brainless idiots????

[Marsh.]

Such strong evidence it led to zero convictions.

But, regarding the Depp scandal, it amazed me the people who spoke out against that (in the public eye) and yet would fawn over your Meryl Streeps and your Woody Allens.

[MB.]

And the fact that it was setted doesn't automatically imply innocence either

Also mmm that Meryl Streep sure is one of Hollywood's greatest monsters, she must be brought to justice

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB.

And the fact that it was setted doesn't automatically imply innocence either

No, but innocent until proven guilty seemed to get forgotten in the little witch hunt that followed him.

Originally Posted by MB.

Also mmm that Meryl Streep sure is one of Hollywood's greatest monsters, she must be brought to justice

I was referring to her being such an open supporter of the recent Time's Up and Me Too movements whilst simultaneously being a supporter of Roman Polanski, the child rapist.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

What is it about social media that makes people go out of their way to check other people's likes & other activities for what their political affiliations are? I'm starting to think the connecting with other people concept is a bit of a scam, that what it often does is enable people to stalk & harass each other... tbh, TiBB has gotten like that too. There never used to be this fixation on accosting folk for not agreeing with each other on their particular views... I remember when there was the interacting and getting to know each other and stuff... now it's I need to know them so I can determine if they're my enemy or not.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Maru

What is it about social media that makes people go out of their way to check other people's likes & other activities for what their political affiliations are? I'm starting to think the connecting with other people concept is a bit of a scam, that what it often does is enable people to stalk & harass each other... tbh, TiBB has gotten like that too. There never used to be this fixation on accosting folk for not agreeing with each other on their particular views... I remember when there was the interacting and getting to know each other and stuff... now it's I need to know them so I can determine if they're my enemy or not.

It is dangerous. It's like agreeing with one poster on one topic spilling into another where you're accused of agreeing with everything that poster says/believes and people automatically assigning their opinions to you.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It is dangerous. It's like agreeing with one poster on one topic spilling into another where you're accused of agreeing with everything that poster says/believes and people automatically assigning their opinions to you.

Yeah... I find it pretty disturbing actually. That someone would monitor and put so much emotional effort into analyzing someones particular views and motives... Twitter is the absolute worst for enabling these stalker types. Thankfully I can just deregister from there without it affecting my work... there's just something not right about the way people are carrying on on these sites.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah... I find it pretty disturbing actually. That someone would monitor and put so much emotional effort into analyzing someones particular views and motives... Twitter is the absolute worst for enabling these stalker types. Thankfully I can just deregister from there without it affecting my work... there's just something not right about the way people are carrying on on these sites.

The problem for JK Rowling is that Celebrities do get stalked alot on the Internet and she knows this that's why she should be careful on what she likes on Social Media as rightly or wrongly, if she holds a controversial opinion it could be a career killer.

I agree with you that alot of people do get too emotionally invested on sites like Twitter and Facebook etc, but JK Rowling and other Celebrities shouldn't be giving these kinds of people ammunition.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The problem for JK Rowling is that Celebrities do get stalked alot on the Internet and she knows this that's why she should be careful on what she likes on Social Media as rightly or wrongly, if she holds a controversial opinion it could be a career killer.

I agree with you that alot of people do get too emotionally invested on sites like Twitter and Facebook etc, but JK Rowling and other Celebrities shouldn't be giving these kinds of people ammunition.

I disagree. I think people shouldn't hide their true beliefs (their real identity) because a mob mentality could develop. That's part of the issue. Nobody wants to be called racist or some other -phobic word. So people hide their true opinion and craft false personas. When you add it all up, it makes a toxic environment, because it means that everything is--at best--"true" only on a surface level.

That doesn't sound like the open world I'd want myself or my children to grow up in... anyway, beating a dead horse I think with Twitter because it's already too far gone imo ... I think I will just stop using social media entirely and move my news feeds back to RSS.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Maru

What is it about social media that makes people go out of their way to check other people's likes & other activities for what their political affiliations are? I'm starting to think the connecting with other people concept is a bit of a scam, that what it often does is enable people to stalk & harass each other... tbh, TiBB has gotten like that too. There never used to be this fixation on accosting folk for not agreeing with each other on their particular views... I remember when there was the interacting and getting to know each other and stuff... now it's I need to know them so I can determine if they're my enemy or not.

I'd say there's a difference between forum members and someone like JK Rowling, who has over 14 million Twitter followers and as such creates 'news' with every tweet she writes, retweets or likes... she's entitled to have her own opinions, write about them and like tweets about them, but once they're out in the open, there's a certain responsibility there that most of us don't carry

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by MB.

I'd say there's a difference between forum members and someone like JK Rowling, who has over 14 million Twitter followers and as such creates 'news' with every tweet she writes, retweets or likes... she's entitled to have her own opinions, write about them and like tweets about them, but once they're out in the open, there's a certain responsibility there that most of us don't carry

She's a fiction writer though, not a legislator.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Maru

She's a fiction writer though, not a legislator.

But regardless, she's still a high profile media figure who would use a platform like Twitter with that in mind... I can't imagine she wouldn't be conscious of the fact that anything she likes/retweets would be construed as an endorsement/reflection of her views, and when something relatively controversial slips through the net, then there would have almost definitely been a reason behind that

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by MB.

Liked tweets can appear on the timelines of JK's followers, there's no 'stalking' involved

Originally Posted by MB.

But regardless, she's still a high profile media figure who would use a platform like Twitter with that in mind... I can't imagine she wouldn't be conscious of the fact that anything she likes/retweets would be construed as an endorsement/reflection of her views, and when something relatively controversial slips through the net, then there would have almost definitely been a reason behind that

I'm not going to argue with your opinion. It is your opinion. However, I feel that this is a dangerous reflection of society when we can't have a simple disagreement on things without members of society resorting to mob mentality.

Liked tweets do appear in the feed, but it doesn't always start there. A lot of times it's a retweet and then someone jumps on board with the harassment campaign... and it is absolutely stalking when folk who are energized in this respect go out of their way to comb all media for occurrences of "injustices" in order to begin these campaigns... I often read threads below tweets and a lot of times, it's this type of tit for tat in every single comment and then those turn into stalking where those members go and check those commenter's profiles and go "Hey you like X... you must like X...", etc... I find that to be obsessive... it can't be just comments on the subject itself, it has to be on each other on the personal basis.

[Christmas Lights]

I doubt JK meant any offense . I wish people would calm down ,there's far worse that gets liked and retweeted .

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Maru

What is it about social media that makes people go out of their way to check other people's likes & other activities for what their political affiliations are? I'm starting to think the connecting with other people concept is a bit of a scam, that what it often does is enable people to stalk & harass each other... tbh, TiBB has gotten like that too. There never used to be this fixation on accosting folk for not agreeing with each other on their particular views... I remember when there was the interacting and getting to know each other and stuff... now it's I need to know them so I can determine if they're my enemy or not.

I agree with this to an extent (maybe not so much with reference to the OP though)

One of THE most annoying things about this forum and the Big Brother fandom on Twitter is the insistence EVERY series on scouring the housemates social media profiles searching for buzzwords which might bring up some not-so-palatable opinions - as if it has ANY ****ing relevance as to what they're going to be like as a housemate, or the show at all tbh it's tiresome, obsessive and frankly pathetic, and is one of the many dreadful things about modern BB

[Marsh.]

Also dangerous that within the click of a button, no actual words of her own people are assigning all manner of opinions as hers without her doing anything. Twitter is insane.

[Tom4784]

It sounds to me like the original tweet was probably referring to that labour mess where a trans person who hadn't go through the transition was made Women's officer which is quite ridiculous. Post op, I could understand that calling them a man in a dress is transphobic but if you haven't started transitioning then the term 'man in a dress' is quite....well....factual?

The trans community is cannabilising itself by attacking anyone and everyone that makes a mistake or says something ignorant whether or not the ignorance is innocent or not, people are just gonna push back against trans rights and such if it continues. People like the journalist quoted above by Marsh need to realise that you don't win hearts and minds by attacking people until they do what you say. Gay rights have come as far as they have, not through the gays attacking anyone and everyone but through education and understanding over the generations. in most countries where gay rights have been written into law, it wouldn't have been enough for just the gays to demand it, it's the allies that have helped push Gay Rights acts into law. Allies are vital and you don't create allies and dispel ignorance by screaming at people to do what you say.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Oh what a coincidence that she's "accidentally" done this before.

There is nothing transphobic at all in that one, not even something that could possibly come across as transphobic.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It sounds to me like the original tweet was probably referring to that labour mess where a trans person who hadn't go through the transition was made Women's officer which is quite ridiculous. Post op, I could understand that calling them a man in a dress is transphobic but if you haven't started transitioning then the term 'man in a dress' is quite....well....factual?

The trans community is cannabilising itself by attacking anyone and everyone that makes a mistake or says something ignorant whether or not the ignorance is innocent or not, people are just gonna push back against trans rights and such if it continues. People like the journalist quoted above by Marsh need to realise that you don't win hearts and minds by attacking people until they do what you say. Gay rights have come as far as they have, not through the gays attacking anyone and everyone but through education and understanding over the generations. in most countries where gay rights have been written into law, it wouldn't have been enough for just the gays to demand it, it's the allies that have helped push Gay Rights acts into law. Allies are vital and you don't create allies and dispel ignorance by screaming at people to do what you say.

Well said.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It sounds to me like the original tweet was probably referring to that labour mess where a trans person who hadn't go through the transition was made Women's officer which is quite ridiculous. Post op, I could understand that calling them a man in a dress is transphobic but if you haven't started transitioning then the term 'man in a dress' is quite....well....factual?

The trans community is cannabilising itself by attacking anyone and everyone that makes a mistake or says something ignorant whether or not the ignorance is innocent or not, people are just gonna push back against trans rights and such if it continues. People like the journalist quoted above by Marsh need to realise that you don't win hearts and minds by attacking people until they do what you say. Gay rights have come as far as they have, not through the gays attacking anyone and everyone but through education and understanding over the generations. in most countries where gay rights have been written into law, it wouldn't have been enough for just the gays to demand it, it's the allies that have helped push Gay Rights acts into law. Allies are vital and you don't create allies and dispel ignorance by screaming at people to do what you say.

This is the most intelligent post in here tbh

[MB.]

Liked tweets can appear on the timelines of JK's followers, there's no 'stalking' involved

[MB.]

Yeah, there's definitely a line that can be, and has been, crossed many times in that respect, I agree... I think it's just, unfortunately, part and parcel of being so high profile, though, as if your personal opinions (or the public's perception of what your personal opinions are, based on the little they can get) automatically become public and subject to whatever scrutiny social media is able to throw at them

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by MB.

Yeah, there's definitely a line that can be, and has been, crossed many times in that respect, I agree... I think it's just, unfortunately, part and parcel of being so high profile, though, as if your personal opinions (or the public's perception of what your personal opinions are, based on the little they can get) automatically become public and subject to whatever scrutiny social media is able to throw at them

I agree. It's a little ironic we're having this discussion on a Big Brother website of all places. It's not like it's fans are angels and to a degree the show is literally about stalking our faves ... and celebrity does attract the obsessive/stalking types. Short version, I do feel like social media, Twitter particularly, has crafted their recipes from these overly-obsessive types. That instead of connecting all kinds of people, we're being encouraged to be little brands for ourselves and create bubbles around ourselves filled with like-minded folk... and inevitably that does engage the more ideologically obsessive personalities who take over and translate that sort of "fervor" for one's "crew" to fanaticism...

I remember watching Trump fuel his base on the idea of his presidential campaign many years ago and he had an energized cache of followers even then... never thought he'd even run, much less win, and yet here we are... so I understand why a celebrity who sees that energy feels they have to develop a sort of defensive strategy against it, with fear it may actually destroy careers instead of help make them.

[MB.]

That said, the sooner she stops retroactively rewriting the Harry Potter books, the better