[Maru]

Originally Posted by MB.

Liked tweets can appear on the timelines of JK's followers, there's no 'stalking' involved

Originally Posted by MB.

But regardless, she's still a high profile media figure who would use a platform like Twitter with that in mind... I can't imagine she wouldn't be conscious of the fact that anything she likes/retweets would be construed as an endorsement/reflection of her views, and when something relatively controversial slips through the net, then there would have almost definitely been a reason behind that

I'm not going to argue with your opinion. It is your opinion. However, I feel that this is a dangerous reflection of society when we can't have a simple disagreement on things without members of society resorting to mob mentality.

Liked tweets do appear in the feed, but it doesn't always start there. A lot of times it's a retweet and then someone jumps on board with the harassment campaign... and it is absolutely stalking when folk who are energized in this respect go out of their way to comb all media for occurrences of "injustices" in order to begin these campaigns... I often read threads below tweets and a lot of times, it's this type of tit for tat in every single comment and then those turn into stalking where those members go and check those commenter's profiles and go "Hey you like X... you must like X...", etc... I find that to be obsessive... it can't be just comments on the subject itself, it has to be on each other on the personal basis.

[MB.]

Yeah, there's definitely a line that can be, and has been, crossed many times in that respect, I agree... I think it's just, unfortunately, part and parcel of being so high profile, though, as if your personal opinions (or the public's perception of what your personal opinions are, based on the little they can get) automatically become public and subject to whatever scrutiny social media is able to throw at them

[MB.]

That said, the sooner she stops retroactively rewriting the Harry Potter books, the better

[Maru]

Originally Posted by MB.

Yeah, there's definitely a line that can be, and has been, crossed many times in that respect, I agree... I think it's just, unfortunately, part and parcel of being so high profile, though, as if your personal opinions (or the public's perception of what your personal opinions are, based on the little they can get) automatically become public and subject to whatever scrutiny social media is able to throw at them

I agree. It's a little ironic we're having this discussion on a Big Brother website of all places. It's not like it's fans are angels and to a degree the show is literally about stalking our faves ... and celebrity does attract the obsessive/stalking types. Short version, I do feel like social media, Twitter particularly, has crafted their recipes from these overly-obsessive types. That instead of connecting all kinds of people, we're being encouraged to be little brands for ourselves and create bubbles around ourselves filled with like-minded folk... and inevitably that does engage the more ideologically obsessive personalities who take over and translate that sort of "fervor" for one's "crew" to fanaticism...

I remember watching Trump fuel his base on the idea of his presidential campaign many years ago and he had an energized cache of followers even then... never thought he'd even run, much less win, and yet here we are... so I understand why a celebrity who sees that energy feels they have to develop a sort of defensive strategy against it, with fear it may actually destroy careers instead of help make them.

[y.winter]

@ another trans drama

[Withano]

I think, unlike racism and homophobia, theres a lack of understanding as to what constitutes as transphobia. People seem to be unintentionally transphobic far more often than any ism or phobia before.

[kirklancaster]

This entire subject is becoming 'All Too Much' apart from tedious - in my opinion.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think, unlike racism and homophobia, theres a lack of understanding as to what constitutes as transphobia. People seem to be unintentionally transphobic far more often than any ism or phobia before.

That is because to a lot of.people this is a fairly new ism as its only recently come to the fore of the media etc. I completely agree with Dezzy that there appears to be a lot of anger in the trans community and that is having a negative impact at the moment. Shouting loudest doesn't mean you get heard. Educating people is the key, not vilifying. Transphobia will soon become as abhorrent to most as racism and homophobia if people are educated and understand. Being attacked for what are sometimes quite unintentional comments will only cause further alienation imo

[Withano]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

That is because to a lot of.people this is a fairly new ism as its only recently come to the fore of the media etc. I completely agree with Dezzy that there appears to be a lot of anger in the trans community and that is having a negative impact at the moment. Shouting loudest doesn't mean you get heard. Educating people is the key, not vilifying. Transphobia will soon become as abhorrent to most as racism and homophobia if people are educated and understand. Being attacked for what are sometimes quite unintentional comments will only cause further alienation imo

Yeh I agree, I just dont think its entirely the same situation. Most people that needed the education back then were happily racist/homophobic because they didnt want to be their equal, nowadays people are unapologetically transphobic because they dont see how theyre treating them unequally.

(Making huge generalisations, obvs this doesnt apply to everybody).

Conversations seem to go
Thats transphobic
No its not, im not transphobic
Ok but thats transphobic language
No it isnt

Instead of
Thats racist
Yeah.. so?

Its much easier to educate the latter imo, you can educate stupid, but how do you educate stubborn?

[Crimson Dynamo]

i will never buy another one of Harry Potters books in protest of this outrage

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Oh what a coincidence that she's "accidentally" done this before.

There is nothing transphobic at all in that one, not even something that could possibly come across as transphobic.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It sounds to me like the original tweet was probably referring to that labour mess where a trans person who hadn't go through the transition was made Women's officer which is quite ridiculous. Post op, I could understand that calling them a man in a dress is transphobic but if you haven't started transitioning then the term 'man in a dress' is quite....well....factual?

The trans community is cannabilising itself by attacking anyone and everyone that makes a mistake or says something ignorant whether or not the ignorance is innocent or not, people are just gonna push back against trans rights and such if it continues. People like the journalist quoted above by Marsh need to realise that you don't win hearts and minds by attacking people until they do what you say. Gay rights have come as far as they have, not through the gays attacking anyone and everyone but through education and understanding over the generations. in most countries where gay rights have been written into law, it wouldn't have been enough for just the gays to demand it, it's the allies that have helped push Gay Rights acts into law. Allies are vital and you don't create allies and dispel ignorance by screaming at people to do what you say.

Well said.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Oh what a coincidence that she's "accidentally" done this before.

She made a perfectly valid point. Criticism of it sounds intensely sexist to me.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, aggressively ordering someone to do what you want is definitely the way to go about it.

Ms Gwendoline Smith sounds very controlling with a hint of ‘I dare you’ in that message - almost menacing. Dare I say it - what a hypocrite.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and no trans dementors in her books?

a little too convenient in my book

vile hate filled woman

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

That is because to a lot of.people this is a fairly new ism as its only recently come to the fore of the media etc. I completely agree with Dezzy that there appears to be a lot of anger in the trans community and that is having a negative impact at the moment. Shouting loudest doesn't mean you get heard. Educating people is the key, not vilifying. Transphobia will soon become as abhorrent to most as racism and homophobia if people are educated and understand. Being attacked for what are sometimes quite unintentional comments will only cause further alienation imo

As long as this total nonsence about non-transitioned men using female-only places is put to bed once and for all. Women will never accept that blatant double-standard.

[jaxie]

The internet likes to get bent out of shape over trivia. This seems one of those occasions. There could be any number of reasons why she liked the tweet, including accidental clicks and I've accidentally clicked something on Facebook before so I know it happens.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah... I find it pretty disturbing actually. That someone would monitor and put so much emotional effort into analyzing someones particular views and motives... Twitter is the absolute worst for enabling these stalker types. Thankfully I can just deregister from there without it affecting my work... there's just something not right about the way people are carrying on on these sites.

The problem for JK Rowling is that Celebrities do get stalked alot on the Internet and she knows this that's why she should be careful on what she likes on Social Media as rightly or wrongly, if she holds a controversial opinion it could be a career killer.

I agree with you that alot of people do get too emotionally invested on sites like Twitter and Facebook etc, but JK Rowling and other Celebrities shouldn't be giving these kinds of people ammunition.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ms Gwendoline Smith sounds very controlling with a hint of ‘I dare you’ in that message - almost menacing. Dare I say it - what a hypocrite.

If the passive aggressive in the tweet is a journalist she could start with learning to spell hear correctly.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If the passive aggressive in the tweet is a journalist she could start with learning to spell hear correctly.

I noticed that too Jaxie.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think, unlike racism and homophobia, theres a lack of understanding as to what constitutes as transphobia. People seem to be unintentionally transphobic far more often than any ism or phobia before.

I think what the trans community really needs to understand is that ignorance does not always come from a place of malice. Going on the attack against people who simply aren't well versed on the subject will just likely turn potential allies against the cause. Helping people understand is how you win hearts and minds, ostracising them essentially just alienates them from the cause and gives ammunition to the people who are maliciously opposed to trans rights and people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think what the trans community really needs to understand is that ignorance does not always come from a place of malice. Going on the attack against people who simply aren't well versed on the subject will just likely turn potential allies against the cause. Helping people understand is how you win hearts and minds, ostracising them essentially just alienates them from the cause and gives ammunition to the people who are maliciously opposed to trans rights and people.

id agree with that

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

id agree with that

On the whole I would agree - but referring to those that don’t as ignorant is not the way to go either. Disagreement is not necessarily either malice or ignorance.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Oh what a coincidence that she's "accidentally" done this before.

I wouldn't want to undress next to a stranger with a penis either.

[Greg!]

Well tough beans hon gays have to do it all the time. Go in a private cubicle if it bothers you that much. And anyway, I doubt a pre-op trans woman who hates all of her male features is just going to casually have her dick flopping about for the world to see in a changing room, that is if she even has the courage to use the correct changing rooms for her gender identity, which usually doesn't happen until post-op.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I wouldn't want to undress next to a stranger with a penis either.

I don’t think most women would Ashley which seems to be the
Point that many simple aren’t getting- conveniently I might add.

Womens’’ rights to privacy and safety are clearly being eroded in an attempt to appease an increasingly hostile trans community - we are effectively being sacrificed against our will. It is not on!