[TaylorCallum]

Not at all. Keep her in though.

[Elliot]

A surprising number of people on this forum like her personality.. I expected her to unanimously be regarded as the obnoxious villain :I

[Ammi]

...I think I probably would like her as a human.....she doesn’t seem to be a bad person in any way...not mean spirited or anything...but probably not in the context of the BB house though because I think she would be energy draining...with lots of time, not such a tense environment and popping ear plugs in now and again to zone out to some music...I think she’d be someone I could spend time with getting to know...and trying to get a little word in edgeways here and there...she’s very intense, she’s very deep and she interesting...just not really BB house material I don’t think...

[Garfie]

I'm not saying she's a horrible person or anything, but she's definitely not my type of person; I couldn't be around someone like her- she's too intense, loud and heavy going. I like people to be chilled and laid back so she would do my head in! I think I'd feel as tired of her presence as Lewis F does!

[Calderyon]

No, i do not.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

No, i do not.

She hot so

[MB.]

She is the mother I never had, she is the sister everybody would want, she is the friend that everybody deserves

[Calderyon]

Originally Posted by MB.

She is the mother I never had, she is the sister everybody would want, she is the friend that everybody deserves

1: Not enough info on this, so cannot answer
2: No
3: No

[MB.]

It wasn't a question

[Calderyon]

Originally Posted by MB.

It wasn't a question

Still answered correctly.

[Glenn.]

No she’s a monster

[Robodog]

Totally self-obsessed; she treats everyone like they are guests on 'the Anamelia show' - very draining to be around


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[Cal.]

Yeah. I don’t think she has bad intentions at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

no she is not a nice person, lies to herself and is devious and manipulative

[user104658]

She's an extreme narcissist, she literally talks about herself all of the time. ALL of the time. If a conversation isn't about her, she MAKES it about her, or someone / something from her past... I've honestly never seen anything like it and I've known plenty of narcissists. She referred to her own vagina as being "the gateway to another dimension"!

Other people are seen as actors on her stage to further her own drama and narrative. One of the most telling things is... she doesn't know how to handle Lewis G when he's winding her up, so to get around that, she basically pretends that he doesn't exist. Like he's a blooper in the Anamelia show .

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She's an extreme narcissist, she literally talks about herself all of the time. ALL of the time. If a conversation isn't about her, she MAKES it about her, or someone / something from her past... I've honestly never seen anything like it and I've known plenty of narcissists. She referred to her own vagina as being "the gateway to another dimension"!

Other people are seen as actors on her stage to further her own drama and narrative. One of the most telling things is... she doesn't know how to handle Lewis G when he's winding her up, so to get around that, she basically pretends that he doesn't exist. Like he's a blooper in the Anamelia show .

Well said...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She's an extreme narcissist, she literally talks about herself all of the time. ALL of the time. If a conversation isn't about her, she MAKES it about her, or someone / something from her past... I've honestly never seen anything like it and I've known plenty of narcissists. She referred to her own vagina as being "the gateway to another dimension"!

Other people are seen as actors on her stage to further her own drama and narrative. One of the most telling things is... she doesn't know how to handle Lewis G when he's winding her up, so to get around that, she basically pretends that he doesn't exist. Like he's a blooper in the Anamelia show .

...she isn’t a narcissist at all TS..I’m sorry but she just isn’t ...that seems to be thrown into most series of BB of recent times...like we have to have a narcissist housemate.....she has narcissistic qualities...every single one of us has narcisstic qualities ...and I do agree she has more than an ‘average’...but she’s far from an extreme that would go to make a narcissist though...she does discuss herself a lot and her own associations with things.......many people do that though...it’s not really a great trait always for a housemate but it’s something many people do both in and outside the house...she saw what she perceived as bullying behaviour and whether it was or not...that’s how she saw it and it showed empathy and consideration for another housemate...a veritable stranger to her..?..that’s not a narcissistic quality...she also listened to Cameron and accepted and respected his opinion, even though she may not have agreed with it...?...so she sees the viewpoint of others but hasn’t necessarily yet come to a place of agreement with them..?...again that would indicate she’s not a narcissist...she explains her associations as she did with Zoe when she’d been subjected to being talked about in her past, in her childhood....and how that’s given her an aversion...but she also accepted, that association didn’t apply with Zoe and that situation and she explained that to Zoe...that she realised she’d misinterpreted....?...so no, no narcissist for me but she’s someone who finds it difficult to be in a group situation and accept others, I would say...and someone who likes to feel that they’re always heard in terms of explaining these things and why things have made her feel a certain way...but then doesn’t always give the same consideration to others is the problem..and Lewis G is the one furthering his own drama by winding her up and taunting her...he obviously has no drama to provide himself or no personality so he has to adopt a Stephen Bear character ...and especially as he lost Ellis as a bit of a showmance talking point...he doesn’t exist to me either as a person until he actually reveals who he is and stops pretending to be someone else and a copy cat caricature type person....if he can’t be ‘real’ why should he deserve any attention...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...she isn’t a narcissist at all TS..I’m sorry but she just isn’t ...that seems to be thrown into most series of BB of recent times...like we have to have a narcissist housemate.....she has narcissistic qualities...every single one of us has narcisstic qualities ...and I do agree she has more than an ‘average’...but she’s far from an extreme that would go to make a narcissist though...she does discuss herself a lot and her own associations with things.......many people do that though...it’s not really a great trait always for a housemate but it’s something many people do both in and outside the house...she saw what she perceived as bullying behaviour and whether it was or not...that’s how she saw it and it showed empathy and consideration for another housemate...a veritable stranger to her..?..that’s not a narcissistic quality...she also listened to Cameron and accepted and respected his opinion, even though she may not have agreed with it...?...so she sees the viewpoint of others but hasn’t necessarily yet come to a place of agreement with them..?...again that would indicate she’s not a narcissist...she explains her associations as she did with Zoe when she’d been subjected to being talked about in her past, in her childhood....and how that’s given her an aversion...but she also accepted, that association didn’t apply with Zoe and that situation and she explained that to Zoe...that she realised she’d misinterpreted....?...so no, no narcissist for me but she’s someone who finds it difficult to be in a group situation and accept others, I would say...and someone who likes to feel that they’re always heard in terms of explaining these things and why things have made her feel a certain way...but then doesn’t always give the same consideration to others is the problem..and Lewis G is the one furthering his own drama by winding her up and taunting her...he obviously has no drama to provide himself or no personality so he has to adopt a Stephen Bear character ...and especially as he lost Ellis as a bit of a showmance talking point...he doesn’t exist to me either as a person until he actually reveals who he is and stops pretending to be someone else and a copy cat caricature type person....if he can’t be ‘real’ why should he deserve any attention...

go watch her x factor audition

classic narcissist

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...she isn’t a narcissist at all TS..I’m sorry but she just isn’t ...that seems to be thrown into most series of BB of recent times...like we have to have a narcissist housemate.....she has narcissistic qualities...every single one of us has narcisstic qualities ...and I do agree she has more than an ‘average’...but she’s far from an extreme that would go to make a narcissist though...she does discuss herself a lot and her own associations with things.......many people do that though...it’s not really a great trait always for a housemate but it’s something many people do both in and outside the house...she saw what she perceived as bullying behaviour and whether it was or not...that’s how she saw it and it showed empathy and consideration for another housemate...a veritable stranger to her..?..that’s not a narcissistic quality...she also listened to Cameron and accepted and respected his opinion, even though she may not have agreed with it...?...so she sees the viewpoint of others but hasn’t necessarily yet come to a place of agreement with them..?...again that would indicate she’s not a narcissist...she explains her associations as she did with Zoe when she’d been subjected to being talked about in her past, in her childhood....and how that’s given her an aversion...but she also accepted, that association didn’t apply with Zoe and that situation and she explained that to Zoe...that she realised she’d misinterpreted....?...so no, no narcissist for me but she’s someone who finds it difficult to be in a group situation and accept others, I would say...and someone who likes to feel that they’re always heard in terms of explaining these things and why things have made her feel a certain way...but then doesn’t always give the same consideration to others is the problem..and Lewis G is the one furthering his own drama by winding her up and taunting her...he obviously has no drama to provide himself or no personality so he has to adopt a Stephen Bear character ...and especially as he lost Ellis as a bit of a showmance talking point...he doesn’t exist to me either as a person until he actually reveals who he is and stops pretending to be someone else and a copy cat caricature type person....if he can’t be ‘real’ why should he deserve any attention...

I have to disagree Ammi... it doesn't have to be extreme for her to be a narcissist, I'm not saying she has actual Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but she is a cookie-cutter example of a basic narcissist. She rarely sees other people's point of view; she accepts that they have one, but it's fairly evident that she doesn't find those points of view to be relevant to her (i.e. she doesn't actually care) and I don't see any evidence that she acknowledges them at all for any reason other than that she knows that's "the right thing to say" to make herself look good.

As for the Tomasz situation, far from being evidence of empathy, that actually cements my opinion further. She brought it up in the first place to "white knight" and make herself seem like "a rly good person" - but beyond and far worse than that - she flat out refused to let it go when it was making Tomasz quite clearly uncomfortable. He didn't feel bullied, he wanted just to forget about it and let it drop, the whole thing was clearly making him feel bad BUT she chose to drag him back into it three or four times - one of those times demanding that he come to the garden to "settle the disagreement" between her and Lewis F - with absolutely ZERO regard for the fact that it was making Tomasz uncomfortable. Her need to "win that argument" and be "in the right" regarding the entire situation was far more important to her than the feelings of the person she was supposedly "sticking up for" in the first place.

I don't think she's nasty or malicious though. I don't think she was thinking, "This might upset Tomasz but I don't care". Her sphere of observation just doesn't extend very far beyond the other dimension that she keeps inside her vagina... so it was irrelevant to her.

Likewise, she didn't give a **** about what Kay was trying to tell her, repeatedly interrupting her and not letting her speak and then declaring "You're not letting me finish!" if she didn't get to narrate her own version of events. She then declared that she "is who she is and has to be true to that", whilst basically disregarding the fact that Kay was trying to say the same thing about herself. She believes that it's of prime importance that SHE gets to be who SHE is. Not that anyone else gets to be their own person. Not if it impacts on her in any way, at least.

But the easiest way to spot it is to boil it down to one of the basics of narcissism. Believing that one is naturally superior to others (which she clearly does), whilst similtaneously crafting a victim narrative e.g. that other people are persecuting, bullying or -- the classic that she has already used several times -- that "they're jealous".

100% bonafide narcissism I'm afraid.



...I actually like her though . Absolute mess, couldn't be around her for 5 minutes, but absolute fire on telly.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I have to disagree Ammi... it doesn't have to be extreme for her to be a narcissist, I'm not saying she has actual Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but she is a cookie-cutter example of a basic narcissist. She rarely sees other people's point of view; she accepts that they have one, but it's fairly evident that she doesn't find those points of view to be relevant to her (i.e. she doesn't actually care) and I don't see any evidence that she acknowledges them at all for any reason other than that she knows that's "the right thing to say" to make herself look good.

As for the Tomasz situation, far from being evidence of empathy, that actually cements my opinion further. She brought it up in the first place to "white knight" and make herself seem like "a rly good person" - but beyond and far worse than that - she flat out refused to let it go when it was making Tomasz quite clearly uncomfortable. He didn't feel bullied, he wanted just to forget about it and let it drop, the whole thing was clearly making him feel bad BUT she chose to drag him back into it three or four times - one of those times demanding that he come to the garden to "settle the disagreement" between her and Lewis F - with absolutely ZERO regard for the fact that it was making Tomasz uncomfortable. Her need to "win that argument" and be "in the right" regarding the entire situation was far more important to her than the feelings of the person she was supposedly "sticking up for" in the first place.

I don't think she's nasty or malicious though. I don't think she was thinking, "This might upset Tomasz but I don't care". Her sphere of observation just doesn't extend very far beyond the other dimension that she keeps inside her vagina... so it was irrelevant to her.

Likewise, she didn't give a **** about what Kay was trying to tell her, repeatedly interrupting her and not letting her speak and then declaring "You're not letting me finish!" if she didn't get to narrate her own version of events. She then declared that she "is who she is and has to be true to that", whilst basically disregarding the fact that Kay was trying to say the same thing about herself. She believes that it's of prime importance that SHE gets to be who SHE is. Not that anyone else gets to be their own person. Not if it impacts on her in any way, at least.

But the easiest way to spot it is to boil it down to one of the basics of narcissism. Believing that one is naturally superior to others (which she clearly does), whilst similtaneously crafting a victim narrative e.g. that other people are persecuting, bullying or -- the classic that she has already used several times -- that "they're jealous".

100% bonafide narcissism I'm afraid.



...I actually like her though . Absolute mess, couldn't be around her for 5 minutes, but absolute fire on telly.

...see if narcissistic were to be applied, TS...I would say that more applied to Lewis G because he hasn’t shown any consideration of any housemate on any level so far as I can see...and similar with Stephen Bear, the narcisstic king of them all...every person was for his own entertainment value...no thought of the actual person or any feelings...it’s okay thought TS...obviously you’re wrong and I accept that but as always...I adore you anyway ...and maybe even more now...because I realise you’re not perfect in your assessments...you’re so beautifully human and I love that....


...I can’t think of anyone better to disagree with.....or anyone more lovely than you to be wrong...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...see if narcissistic were to be applied, TS...I would say that more applied to Lewis G because he hasn’t shown any consideration of any housemate on any level so far as I can see...and similar with Stephen Bear, the narcisstic king of them all...every person was for his own entertainment value...no thought of the actual person or any feelings...it’s okay thought TS...obviously you’re wrong and I accept that but as always...I adore you anyway ...and maybe even more now...because I realise you’re not perfect in your assessments...you’re so beautifully human and I love that....


...I can’t think of anyone better to disagree with.....or anyone more lovely than you to be wrong...

Lewis G can't be a narcissist because he has "uncaring empathy". He "gets" people nearly instantly and he clearly must be watching everyone very closely to figure them out. A narcissist (like Anamelia) wouldn't care. If you'll notice, she DOESN'T tailor her interactions in any way based on who she's talking to, because they're all just "generic others" i.e. "not her" and all the same. She doesn't recognise individuality beyond her own... people are just "there".

I don't know what Lewis G is though. Like I said, can't be a narcissist because he understands other people intuitively, more than anyone else this year and frankly more than most people in general and that's a form of extreme empathy... but not the good kind, because he's not a caring person and uses those observations either A) because he's playing some sort of game or B) purely for his own amusement.

If it's B), it might be some variety of sociopathy . If it's A) then it just is what it is and he has some sort of game plan.

I do know that he's one of the more (if not THE most) intelligent housemates in there and yet he for whatever reason acts like he's the stupidest. Hmmm.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She's an extreme narcissist, she literally talks about herself all of the time. ALL of the time. If a conversation isn't about her, she MAKES it about her, or someone / something from her past... I've honestly never seen anything like it and I've known plenty of narcissists. She referred to her own vagina as being "the gateway to another dimension"!

Other people are seen as actors on her stage to further her own drama and narrative. One of the most telling things is... she doesn't know how to handle Lewis G when he's winding her up, so to get around that, she basically pretends that he doesn't exist. Like he's a blooper in the Anamelia show .

[Ammi]

...I just watched her audition as you suggested, LT...oooops.....she’s no great singing voice for sure...arrogant yeah, rather than confident...I would definitely say that fits...but narcissistic....nope....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She's an extreme narcissist, she literally talks about herself all of the time. ALL of the time. If a conversation isn't about her, she MAKES it about her, or someone / something from her past... I've honestly never seen anything like it and I've known plenty of narcissists. She referred to her own vagina as being "the gateway to another dimension"!

Other people are seen as actors on her stage to further her own drama and narrative. One of the most telling things is... she doesn't know how to handle Lewis G when he's winding her up, so to get around that, she basically pretends that he doesn't exist. Like he's a blooper in the Anamelia show .

Yep, perfect analyse of her imo. It's a little bit scary to see actually but very interesting HM. I'm not sure how long I will find her interesting for though. I don't want to miss out on other HMs for the sake of the Anamelia show either

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She's an extreme narcissist, she literally talks about herself all of the time. ALL of the time. If a conversation isn't about her, she MAKES it about her, or someone / something from her past... I've honestly never seen anything like it and I've known plenty of narcissists. She referred to her own vagina as being "the gateway to another dimension"!

Other people are seen as actors on her stage to further her own drama and narrative. One of the most telling things is... she doesn't know how to handle Lewis G when he's winding her up, so to get around that, she basically pretends that he doesn't exist. Like he's a blooper in the Anamelia show .

Yup I agree with all of this. This is why I find her fascinating to watch actually.