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Originally Posted by Ammi

...she isn’t a narcissist at all TS..I’m sorry but she just isn’t ...that seems to be thrown into most series of BB of recent times...like we have to have a narcissist housemate.....she has narcissistic qualities...every single one of us has narcisstic qualities ...and I do agree she has more than an ‘average’...but she’s far from an extreme that would go to make a narcissist though...she does discuss herself a lot and her own associations with things.......many people do that though...it’s not really a great trait always for a housemate but it’s something many people do both in and outside the house...she saw what she perceived as bullying behaviour and whether it was or not...that’s how she saw it and it showed empathy and consideration for another housemate...a veritable stranger to her..?..that’s not a narcissistic quality...she also listened to Cameron and accepted and respected his opinion, even though she may not have agreed with it...?...so she sees the viewpoint of others but hasn’t necessarily yet come to a place of agreement with them..?...again that would indicate she’s not a narcissist...she explains her associations as she did with Zoe when she’d been subjected to being talked about in her past, in her childhood....and how that’s given her an aversion...but she also accepted, that association didn’t apply with Zoe and that situation and she explained that to Zoe...that she realised she’d misinterpreted....?...so no, no narcissist for me but she’s someone who finds it difficult to be in a group situation and accept others, I would say...and someone who likes to feel that they’re always heard in terms of explaining these things and why things have made her feel a certain way...but then doesn’t always give the same consideration to others is the problem..and Lewis G is the one furthering his own drama by winding her up and taunting her...he obviously has no drama to provide himself or no personality so he has to adopt a Stephen Bear character ...and especially as he lost Ellis as a bit of a showmance talking point...he doesn’t exist to me either as a person until he actually reveals who he is and stops pretending to be someone else and a copy cat caricature type person....if he can’t be ‘real’ why should he deserve any attention...

I have to disagree Ammi... it doesn't have to be extreme for her to be a narcissist, I'm not saying she has actual Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but she is a cookie-cutter example of a basic narcissist. She rarely sees other people's point of view; she accepts that they have one, but it's fairly evident that she doesn't find those points of view to be relevant to her (i.e. she doesn't actually care) and I don't see any evidence that she acknowledges them at all for any reason other than that she knows that's "the right thing to say" to make herself look good.

As for the Tomasz situation, far from being evidence of empathy, that actually cements my opinion further. She brought it up in the first place to "white knight" and make herself seem like "a rly good person" - but beyond and far worse than that - she flat out refused to let it go when it was making Tomasz quite clearly uncomfortable. He didn't feel bullied, he wanted just to forget about it and let it drop, the whole thing was clearly making him feel bad BUT she chose to drag him back into it three or four times - one of those times demanding that he come to the garden to "settle the disagreement" between her and Lewis F - with absolutely ZERO regard for the fact that it was making Tomasz uncomfortable. Her need to "win that argument" and be "in the right" regarding the entire situation was far more important to her than the feelings of the person she was supposedly "sticking up for" in the first place.

I don't think she's nasty or malicious though. I don't think she was thinking, "This might upset Tomasz but I don't care". Her sphere of observation just doesn't extend very far beyond the other dimension that she keeps inside her vagina... so it was irrelevant to her.

Likewise, she didn't give a **** about what Kay was trying to tell her, repeatedly interrupting her and not letting her speak and then declaring "You're not letting me finish!" if she didn't get to narrate her own version of events. She then declared that she "is who she is and has to be true to that", whilst basically disregarding the fact that Kay was trying to say the same thing about herself. She believes that it's of prime importance that SHE gets to be who SHE is. Not that anyone else gets to be their own person. Not if it impacts on her in any way, at least.

But the easiest way to spot it is to boil it down to one of the basics of narcissism. Believing that one is naturally superior to others (which she clearly does), whilst similtaneously crafting a victim narrative e.g. that other people are persecuting, bullying or -- the classic that she has already used several times -- that "they're jealous".

100% bonafide narcissism I'm afraid.



...I actually like her though . Absolute mess, couldn't be around her for 5 minutes, but absolute fire on telly.