[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Gay veterans and ex POWs were prevented from taking part in official commemoration parades well into the 80s.

Also a dark stain on our history.

[Livia]

Gay people weren't allowed to be in the army well into the eighties. Back then you had to sign to say that you understood it was unacceptable to be gay in the armed forces and you would thrown out if it was found you were gay. Women also had to sign a piece of paper to say that if they got pregnant they understood they would be required to leave immediately. Things have changed, thank God.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

Gay people weren't allowed to be in the army well into the eighties. Back then you had to sign to say that you understood it was unacceptable to be gay in the armed forces and you would thrown out if it was found you were gay. Women also had to sign a piece of paper to say that if they got pregnant they understood they would be required to leave immediately. Things have changed, thank God.

They have. Although there was a survey lately showing acceptance towards lgbt actually going down. Worth watching

Not allowing gay ex concentration camps prisoners to parade with others was a low and mean blow

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

They have. Although there was a survey lately showing acceptance towards lgbt actually going down. Worth watching

Not allowing gay ex concentration camps prisoners to parade with others was a low and mean blow

Yes, that was a low blow, but attitudes have changes since the 80s.

My Dad was a soldier back in the 80s. There was a lad in his battalion who was gay. Everyone knew, not many cared, but it was a deathly secret because if it had got out, he would have been thrown out.

I wish Turing could have somehow known how future generations would see him.

[Twosugars]

This is as late as 1997 when they were still not allowed to parade with others.
When I have more time I'll find the link I saw last year

http://outrage.org.uk/1997/11/queer-remembrance-day/

Nearly 300 lesbians and gay men attended a Ceremony of Remembance at the national war memorial, the Cenotaph, in London, on Sunday, 2nd. November. They were commemorating lesbian, gay, and bisexual people who died fighting Nazism and who perished in the concentration camps.

The ceremony was organised by OutRage!, who declared Sunday, 2nd. November “Queer Remembrance Day”.

The keynote speaker was 74-year-old Sharley McLean, a lesbian who fled to Britain as a refugee from Nazi Germany in 1939. Her gay uncle, Kurt Bach, was arrested by the Gestapo in a gay bar in Berlin in 1937, and died in Sachsenhausen concentration camp.

After the speeches, there was a minute’s silence. Then dozens of pink wreaths and bouquets were laid on the Cenotaph.

The commemoration was denounced by the ex-services association, the British Legion, as “distasteful” and “offensive”, and “bound to offend many former soldiers”.

Gay war veterans are never acknowledged by the ex-services association or by the official state-sponsored Remembrance Day ceremony. At least 250,000 gay people served in the British Armed Forces during 1939-45. The current ban on homosexuals in the military is an insult to their service and sacrifice.

The huge media coverage of Queer Remembrance Day has raised awareness about the contribution of lesbian and gay service personnel to the defeat of Nazism, and about the queer holocaust that has been suppressed by revisionist historians.

Coinciding with a campaign by the German SPD and Green parties, OutRage! has written to Chancellor Helmut Kohl, urging him to:

Apologise for the Nazi persecution of gay people
— successive German governments have always refused to apologise
Compensate gay holocaust survivors
— gays are denied compensation on the grounds that they were ‘common criminals’
Remedy the deficit in gay survivors’ pensions
— the service of SS guards is added to their pension entitlement; but the years spent in the camps by gays is dededucted from their pensions
Put on trial the Nazi doctors who were involved in barbaric experiments on gay concentration-camp prisoners

[Denver]

As nice as it is who even uses 50 notes?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Denver

As nice as it is who even uses 50 notes?

I do on Big Contracts

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

I do on Big Contracts

Not seen one for a while, send me one Arista

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Denver

As nice as it is who even uses 50 notes?

Bookies and mid-range (£300 - £1000 per bet) gamblers. I had a Chinese customer who would ONLY bet with £50 notes, because "red is lucky".

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bookies and mid-range (£300 - £1000 per bet) gamblers. I had a Chinese customer who would ONLY bet with £50 notes, because "red is lucky".

Lucky Red.

[Beso]

Got anything on ex POWs not being allowed to take part in these memorial parades?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Got anything on ex POWs not being allowed to take part in these memorial parades?

“Until the mid-1980s, it was forbidden to lay a pink triangle wreath at the Cenotaph in remembrance of the LGBT victims of fascism and of LGBT service personnel who fought to defeat Nazism. The wreaths we laid were swiftly removed. She helped me and others overturn the wreath ban.
“Prior to the late 1990s, the Royal British Legion refused to acknowledge that LGBT people has served and died in the armed forces. It would not allow a LGBT war veterans contingent to march in the official Remembrance Day parade.

https://lgbthistorymonth.org.uk/shar...ean-1923-2013/

if you want more, do you own research, I have no time to post more links for you

[Twosugars]

Turing was a tragic figure. Persecuted for homosexuality after the war, chemically castrated and refused security clearance and dropped by the government.
Eventually committed suicide.

Arguably his work might have saved the most lives ever saved by an individual.

[arista]

[The design of the Bank of England's new £50 note,
featuring the computer pioneer and
codebreaker Alan Turing, has been revealed.
The banknote will enter circulation on 23 June,
which would have been the mathematician's birthday.
It will be the last of the Bank's collection to switch
from paper to polymer. In keeping with
Alan Turing's work, the set is its most secure yet.

Old paper £50 notes will still be accepted in shops for some time.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56503741

[user104658]

Know what's going to be really weird? Charles' big ol' mug on banknotes. We're all likely to live to see King William banknotes too - although maybe banknotes won't exist at all in 20 years?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Know what's going to be really weird? Charles' big ol' mug on banknotes. We're all likely to live to see King William banknotes too - although maybe banknotes won't exist at all in 20 years?

Never even thought of that

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Never even thought of that

Yeah The Queen has been around so long that not many people now will remember any note that didn't have Queen Liz 2 on it, so I think we all just... think of that as being "what money looks like" and forget that it'll change .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Know what's going to be really weird? Charles' big ol' mug on banknotes. We're all likely to live to see King William banknotes too - although maybe banknotes won't exist at all in 20 years?

Do you think Charles will get a go? I could almost see the Queen out living him

Great news for Alan Turing just a shame he was treated so horribly while he was alive though

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Do you think Charles will get a go? I could almost see the Queen out living him

Great news for Alan Turing just a shame he was treated so horribly while he was alive though

Probably, but by the time they print his notes they'll be like "Oh ffs, reset the printers for William..."

[MTVN]

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king, I guess the Queens currency would still be dominant for a long time. Something like the £50 note and 1p/2p coins I doubt they'd bother redesigning at all as both would be the first currency to be phased out if we were moving cashless

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king

Probably longer than his potential reign.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king, I guess the Queens currency would still be dominant for a long time. Something like the £50 note and 1p/2p coins I doubt they'd bother redesigning at all as both would be the first currency to be phased out if we were moving cashless

You may be.


Millions will Not.

[James]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king, I guess the Queens currency would still be dominant for a long time. Something like the £50 note and 1p/2p coins I doubt they'd bother redesigning at all as both would be the first currency to be phased out if we were moving cashless

I'm pretty sure we used pre-decimal coins like the shilling for years after decimalisation in 1971.

[James]

Originally Posted by James

I'm pretty sure we used pre-decimal coins like the shilling for years after decimalisation in 1971.

The*pre-decimal*sixpence, shilling and two shilling*coins, which had continued to circulate alongside the*decimal coinage*with values of ​2*1⁄2p, 5p and 10p respectively,*were*finally withdrawn in 1980, 1990 and 1993 respectively.

From Google.

[bots]

Originally Posted by James

I'm pretty sure we used pre-decimal coins like the shilling for years after decimalisation in 1971.

we did indeed, the shilling was just equivalent to 5 pence and the same applied for all the other coins too. As I recall, nobody wanted the half penny even when it was first introduced, the old penny was much more substantial