[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think it's really whataboutism, it's just commenting on false equivalency.

As for your last paragraph, I think that comes under the philosophy side of it, is it right for a parent to make that decision for their child? For me personally my personal take is 'meh'. It's a flap of skin that you have to pull back to wash yourself properly or it'll get infected. It's a bother more than anything. I think a lot of men who are circumcised would prefer to remain that way if they could experience the other side of it.

Maybe, but I do think it should be a choice the bloke makes, not something the parents decide when they are babies. Its quite telling I think, that there seems to be a lack of adult men wanting to be circumscised..unless for actual medical problems. None just 'because'

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Maybe, but I do think it should be a choice the bloke makes, not something the parents decide when they are babies. Its quite telling I think, that there seems to be a lack of adult men wanting to be circumscised..unless for actual medical problems. None just 'because'

Probably because we'd remember the recovery as an adult I imagine it would be a worse procedure as an adult too, babies could probably recover from it quite quickly while a man might be out of commission for a few days or would be slower to move around.

I'm ultimately fine with it being the parents' choice given that circumcision doesn't really have any big health drawbacks, only positives.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I agree with this, and livias post upthread too. But did not want to 'what about' in a thread about male circumscision, given I complain about whatabouts everywhere else

Yeah, 'MGM' is nothing like FGM. FGM is utterly utterly barbaric and cannot really be compared to circumscision. Mind, I do not think that parm was doing that. But I guess even terming it MGM is..comparing it in a way. As you said.

I do disagree to no downsides of circumscision though tbh. There might not be physical downsides, but I have read hundreds of accounts of blokes really pissed off and upset about their parents removing part of them without consent. So there are mental downsides it seems.

All I can say to this is "I hope uou and dezzy watched the programme."

[Marsh.]

Why take the wrapping paper off the gift before it's been given to the receiver to open?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No need to do it

Don't do it

[Crimson Dynamo]

also the whole cleaner thing is just a common myth

[Kizzy]

Whether its for religious or cosmetic reasons essentially you are mutilating an infant. The fact it has no long term effects ( or has it? Who knows :/) is irrelevant.

[Twosugars]

A perfect job for a paedo sadist I'd imagine, mutilating infants

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

A perfect job for a paedo sadist I'd imagine, mutilating infants

Or a qualified Dr to the less dramatic.

[smudgie]

My brother had itdone as a young child, not a great experience.
A friends son had it done when he was three, again painful and upsetting.
Both had struggled for a time before, both were excellent after a couple of weeks.
Much better to have it done as a baby I believe, less painful, less to remove, less stress.
Not sure how many boys struggle with infections or tightness

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

My brother had itdone as a young child, not a great experience.
A friends son had it done when he was three, again painful and upsetting.
Both had struggled for a time before, both were excellent after a couple of weeks.
Much better to have it done as a baby I believe, less painful, less to remove, less stress.
Not sure how many boys struggle with infections or tightness

I think its obviously fine if its for medical reasons, seems a fair few boys have theirs too tight, and of course anything to relieve the pain is good. Its when there is no actual reason..that gets me tbh

[thesheriff443]

It’s a funny old world, in which people are happy for perverts to be castrated but not for a piece of skin to be cut off.

Unless it affects you in person it’s just another white noise subject in life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s a funny old world, in which people are happy for perverts to be castrated but not for a piece of skin to be cut off.

Unless it affects you in person it’s just another white noise subject in life.

if we aim to progress as a species stopping children being disfigured for superstition is good thing

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if we aim to progress as a species stopping children being disfigured for superstition is good thing

It’s been going on for thousands of years and will continue.

The human race is primitive we should be ruled by a computer that only understand stands logic and right from wron without any other factors being considered like religion.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s been going on for thousands of years and will continue.

The human race is primitive we should be ruled by a computer that only understand stands logic and right from wron without any other factors being considered like religion.

It may well happen

[thesheriff443]

How many people happily get piecings that are pointless and mutillate there bodies.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

How many people happily get piecings that are pointless and mutillate there bodies.

But thats a choice. Its different chosing to mutilate your own body..rather than someone else make the decision and do it for you.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But thats a choice. Its different chosing to mutilate your own body..rather than someone else make the decision and do it for you.

True but it’s another form of mutilation that’s not only acceptable but is chosen.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

True but it’s another form of mutilation that’s not only acceptable but is chosen.

Well yeah, technically tattos and pericings and stuff atre mutiliation. But I do think people should be able to do what they like with their bodies (within reason) when its a free choice.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well yeah, technically tattos and pericings and stuff atre mutiliation. But I do think people should be able to do what they like with their bodies (within reason) when its a free choice.

I bet that young jew lad wanted to be a jew 8 days in, now that he's grown up.

But no...he was denied the opportunity to what he wanted with his body.

[armand.kay]

can't say I have a strong opinion on what people should do with their baby's dick. I'm just glad I got circumcised and I'm also glad I've never come across an uncircumcised peen in my sex life.

[Livia]

Just for clarity, God told Abraham to cut his foreskin, and his sons' and his servants' as an everlasting covenant in their flesh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Just for clarity, God told Abraham to cut his foreskin, and his sons' and his servants' as an everlasting covenant in their flesh.

No he did not, a man wrote that so that one tribe could be identified with no error to protect them from intruders. superstition was used to coerce people into mutual agreement.religion was the method that primitive man used to get large groups of people to do things - prior to religion this was impossible.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No he did not, a man wrote that so that one tribe could be identified with no error to protect them from intruders. superstition was used to coerce people into mutual agreement.religion was the method that primitive man used to get large groups of people to do things - prior to religion this was impossible.

If that's what you believe, then fine. I don't suppose you have any more actual evidence than I have. So it comes down to faith.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

prior to religion this was impossible.

False.