[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

does no one remember that time all these people died when this type of thing went wrong

i think it was made into a film?

There was also thalidomide ... and that was just a sleeping pill. Turned out if you took it while pregnant, the babies were born with missing limbs. We had a thalidomide victim as a customer in my shop - rich as **** because he got a multi-million £ settlement. No arms though. He had to bop the FOBT button with his shoulder.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There was also thalidomide ... and that was just a sleeping pill. Turned out if you took it while pregnant, the babies were born with missing limbs. We had a thalidomide victim as a customer in my shop - rich as **** because he got a multi-million £ settlement. No arms though. He had to bop the FOBT button with his shoulder.

It's sad and disgusting what happened to the thalidomide victims. The people responsible for that don't seem to care what they've caused. They didn't do any testing on it.

I saw a documentary about an Australian guy who's mother unfortunately took it whilst pregnant with him. He has no arms and uses his feet for everything.

[user104658]

Medical testing in general is such a huge moral grey area. It tends to be undertaken by single people with few attachments who are in need of the money because it pays so well, but it comes with massive risks of life-long side effects. On the other hand, if no one did it, we wouldn't have even a fraction of the medical advances we have today.

I guess it's an easier choice when it's something like an experimental cancer treatment, or another chronic condition, and you already have that condition. Sort of like a "Well I might as well give it a shot!" ... but something like a vaccine, the whole point is that it has to be tested on healthy adults, which makes it a bit of a Russian Roulette. On top of that they (for obvious reasons) are rushing these vaccines to the human testing phase MUCH faster than they usually would, skipping or accelerating a lot of the "pre-testing" stuff, which makes it even riskier.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Medical testing in general is such a huge moral grey area. It tends to be undertaken by single people with few attachments who are in need of the money because it pays so well, but it comes with massive risks of life-long side effects. On the other hand, if no one did it, we wouldn't have even a fraction of the medical advances we have today.

I guess it's an easier choice when it's something like an experimental cancer treatment, or another chronic condition, and you already have that condition. Sort of like a "Well I might as well give it a shot!" ... but something like a vaccine, the whole point is that it has to be tested on healthy adults, which makes it a bit of a Russian Roulette. On top of that they (for obvious reasons) are rushing these vaccines to the human testing phase MUCH faster than they usually would, skipping or accelerating a lot of the "pre-testing" stuff, which makes it even riskier.

test it on older people, who this virus is fatal to anyway, so what do they have to lose

if vaccine works, they have a chance of survival

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

test it on older people, who this virus is fatal to anyway, so what do they have to lose

if vaccine works, they have a chance of survival

They need to know how it affects all age ranges though, so they have to test it on all adult age ranges.

Also Nicky you're usually good at avoiding misinformation with Covid... it is NOT a death sentence for the elderly, the death rate for even elderly cases is "only" 20% or thereabouts. Now that is obviously very high, it means 1-in-5 elderly people who get it will die however most elderly people do recover... it's not a case of "Oh I've got it, so that's it, might as well test drugs on myself". Even 50% who end up in ICU with breathing assistance pull through.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

test it on older people, who this virus is fatal to anyway, so what do they have to lose



if vaccine works, they have a chance of survival

:/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Josy

:/

Agree

[smudgie]

No.
Not a chance, but I am happy to be the one that they decide not to treat if it comes to the crunch.
As long as they send me off with morphine.

[Kizzy]

If I could yes I would, but I cant now due to NAFLD

[Captain.Remy]

I would do it even for free. I am young, fit and always want to give back!

[Amy Jade]

I'm not sure I am allowed as I am considered a 'key worker' but if I thought it could save lives and I didn't have a job or commitments I'd do it.

[Jessica.]

I'd do it for free.

[JerseyWins]

Nahhh I'm not getting injected with no coronavirus vaccine! I'm even kinda paranoid about what like flu shots and stuff can actually do to you let alone some unknown vaccine. My boss is a bit of a paranoid nut about that stuff so he's got me thinking that way a little bit too now

I originally heard it was like $3500-4000 to do it here as well but then someone told me it's actually $7000! (maybe doesn't know what he's talking about) Still not enough money for me to do it.

[Tony Montana]

Probably not.

[James]

Two volunteers were injected, the first of more than 800 people recruited for the study.
Half will receive the Covid-19 vaccine, and half a control vaccine which protects against meningitis but not coronavirus.
The design of the trial means volunteers will not know which vaccine they are getting, though doctors will.
Elisa Granato, one of the two who received the jab, told the BBC: "I'm a scientist, so I wanted to try to support the scientific process wherever I can."
The vaccine was developed in under three months by a team at Oxford University. Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at the Jenner Institute, led the pre-clinical research.
"Personally I have a high degree of confidence in this vaccine," she said.
"Of course, we have to test it and get data from humans. We have to demonstrate it actually works and stops people getting infected with coronavirus before using the vaccine in the wider population."
Prof Gilbert previously said she was "80% confident" the vaccine would work, but now prefers not to put a figure on it, saying simply she is "very optimistic" about its chances

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by James

Youtube video

They have had the vaccine now will this girl be deliberately infected or wait to see if she picks it up or not?

[caprimint]

Is there no money for it?