[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

I can't even imagine parents saying : "My son is going through some phase, he's a bit rebellious at the moment. Just like week he joined ISIS. As long as school grades don't sink, his dad and I are not too worried. It's a just phase every teenager goes through. And we can't keep following him around, he's becoming more and more independent."

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nicky exposing that climate fraud and showing his compassion for fellow humans



When will smiffy?

lmao

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Why 16 year old Great Thunberg is a child and doesn’t know what she’s talking about but 15 year old Shamima Begum knew exactly what she was doing when she joined ISIS

you could also argue it the other way around, so it doesn't really work an an analogy

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

you could also argue it the other way around, so it doesn't really work an an analogy

It's not an analogy.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's not an analogy.

well whatever you want to call it is fine by me

Listen to Greta she knows everything

Shamima was just a child....

[Tom4784]

There is an uncomfortable truth that Shamima Begum was likely groomed into leaving and then probably abused for years when she arrived. It's difficult to have a lot of sympathy which is strange to say for a victim of abuse simply because of the group she's apart of but... yeah. It's an awkward one.

Greta Thunberg tells people what they don't want to hear and those kinds of people love their delusions too much and have too big of an ego to stand being brought back to reality by a teenager.

I do think racism plays a part as well, It makes me wonder if Shamima would be viewed more sympathetically if she was white.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

well whatever you want to call it is fine by me

Listen to Greta she knows everything

Shamima was just a child....

I don't think he meant whether Greta "knows everything" but about them knowing their own mind enough to be doing what they're purely out of their own choice and not through coercion etc. Since there's a debate about that around both girls.

[Oliver_W]

I'm all for Greta. To an adult eye she might come off as naive with a comical accent, but younger people really listen to her. If she scares people into actually doing something for the environment, then great!

Groomed or not, Begum has not once shown an ounce of regret for running away to ISIS. She's old enough to know better now, so why should anyone care about her?

[bots]

they both have conviction and are both naive so i would say they are alike in some respects

[Nicky91]

ok but Shamima anyway faced reality the hard way that the isis group is evil, wrong, which now explains she is a former member of that

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

ok but Shamima anyway faced reality the hard way that the isis group is evil, wrong, which now explains she is a former member of that

... So now we're waiting for Greta to realise that caring for environment is evil and wrong?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

... So now we're waiting for Greta to realise that caring for environment is evil and wrong?

no, caring for environment is good


what i more mean to say is, while it is good that Greta cares about environment, scientists and other more experienced environmental activists would have more of an impact, with scientific evidence, information

so tbh Greta needs more people (especially those groups whom i mentioned) behind her in this cause, only then she can achieve something

think i am being misunderstood, because all i was against was her mentioning they stole her childhood which isn't true, since not all children have some of same privileges what she has

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no, caring for environment is good


what i more mean to say is, while it is good that Greta cares about environment, scientists and other more experienced environmental activists would have more of an impact, with scientific evidence, information

so tbh Greta needs more people (especially those groups whom i mentioned) behind her in this cause, only then she can achieve something

think i am being misunderstood, because all i was against was her mentioning they stole her childhood which isn't true, since not all children have some of same privileges what she has

She is backed by tons of scientists and professionals and politicians.
What she did with her strike has never been done before. And of course she would use such punchlines to make people think and/or scared, that's exactly how this works if you want to make an impact. Scientists are not considered (unfortunately) as public figures, hence why you have celebrities or politicians campaigning to raise funds etc
She's the face of that movement and tbh that was frankly needed.

And you don't know if her childhood was robbed or not, that's not our position to say. And that's to be put into context also. She know what's she doing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

She is backed by tons of scientists and professionals and politicians.
What she did with her strike has never been done before. And of course she would use such punchlines to make people think and/or scared, that's exactly how this works if you want to make an impact. Scientists are not considered (unfortunately) as public figures, hence why you have celebrities or politicians campaigning to raise funds etc
She's the face of that movement and tbh that was frankly needed.

And you don't know if her childhood was robbed or not, that's not our position to say. And that's to be put into context also. She know what's she doing.

What I understood her to mean by that was she felt she had to mentally grow up faster and worry about things she shouldn't have had to worry about

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think both know what they're doing personally to some extent.

It's just that for me Shamima joined a Terrorist organisation that wanted to subjugate other countries into being exactly like them, where as Thunberg is harmless and has good ideals.

Absolutely.

I'd agree completely here, unsurprisingly.

Although I do find it difficult I admit, to have much sympathy for anyone, even thinking of, never mind travelling to have anything to do with IS.
Even then regretting it.

I'm afraid the cynic in me would have me wondering had they really changed their view.

Whereas, I'm pretty sure Greta will not change hers, which is something to benefit the human race and the planet.
Not destroy.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think he meant whether Greta "knows everything" but about them knowing their own mind enough to be doing what they're purely out of their own choice and not through coercion etc. Since there's a debate about that around both girls.

jeez you taking everything as read today Marsh, no one knows everything, its just a turn of phrase

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What I understood her to mean by that was she felt she had to mentally grow up faster and worry about things she shouldn't have had to worry about

That's what I understood from her also. And she's right, a pre-teenager/teenager should not have, in theory, to worry about those issues that adults should have taken care of for generations prior.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm afraid the cynic in me would have me wondering had they really changed their view.

Last I heard, Begum hasn't even pretended to have changed her view. She doesn't regret joining ISIS, and wants to come home because the caliphate is pretty much finished.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

She is backed by tons of scientists and professionals and politicians.
What she did with her strike has never been done before. And of course she would use such punchlines to make people think and/or scared, that's exactly how this works if you want to make an impact. Scientists are not considered (unfortunately) as public figures, hence why you have celebrities or politicians campaigning to raise funds etc
She's the face of that movement and tbh that was frankly needed.

And you don't know if her childhood was robbed or not, that's not our position to say. And that's to be put into context also. She know what's she doing.

oh ok, that does make sense indeed


Morgan Freeman should add to the campaign too, he's soo good at these sort of things, he can talk so well, yet also with loads of charisma

[Denver]

I think with Shamima she is now an adult and has shown no remorse for her actions if she was still a child I'd say let her back but she is a grown ass woman who is a danger to the country

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Denver

I think with Shamima she is now an adult and has shown no remorse for her actions if she was still a child I'd say let her back but she is a grown ass woman who is a danger to the country

she has no connections to isis anymore though

but if you guys don't want her back, let her come to Netherlands, some of our refugee camps/homes are quite nice, and most in there are very social with each other, a real community that is becoming, i think Shamima and her husband would fit in well there, and she is allowed to come to my country since her husband is dutch

[Oliver_W]

Regarding the "stolen childhood" thing ...

It's easy to say that the child of two minor celebrities growing up in the modern western world has virtually nothing to moan about. But any kid who grows up in the public eye has to grow up fast, tbh.
That kid who's in everything about the 80s lol, I people were moaning on twitter because he wouldn't speak to fans outside a hotel? It's like, he's 13, leave him alone.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Denver

I think with Shamima she is now an adult and has shown no remorse for her actions if she was still a child I'd say let her back but she is a grown ass woman who is a danger to the country

Yes she has?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Yes she has?

I'm sorry but that half hearted apology while saying she wants to live in the UK with her husband is not acceptable.

If we are bringing terrorists back then bring them back with life in prison with no chance of parole

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Yes she has?

When? The only regret I've heard her express is that she spoke to the media about her intention to return home.