[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Dont unis do that ‘talk’ for freshers about respect or was that one off? Uni are about about making money now, it was easier to offload him than to educate him

? Unis are places of education they have a duty of care to all students. If you fall short of the admission policy then you have your offer revoked and givenue to someone else. Simple as. Once you get in you are reminded of the codes if conduct and the repercussions if you fall short.
It isn't a universities obligation to instil respect into prospective students.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No they are not. They are legally adults, is counterproductive to infantilise students. Personally I think we're treading a more dangerous ground it we don't highlight clearly enough that views such as those expressed in those conversations are unacceptable.



There is no grey area, if you can't see that at 18 being old enough to work, study and live independently you don't belong in a university setting.

Of course there's a "grey area", the idea that there's a switch that gets flipped on a certain date that turns a child into an adult is illogical and ridiculous. "Happy 18th Birthday, you're an adult now!!" is the dangerous ground.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course there's a "grey area", the idea that there's a switch that gets flipped on a certain date that turns a child into an adult is illogical and ridiculous. "Happy 18th Birthday, you're an adult now!!" is the dangerous ground.

You are misunderstanding my point. There is no grey area where this talk is acceptable in anyone...of any age.

That is why I feel the uni was right to withold admission.

As I've said before your window of cognitive competence is a tad narrow imo. And is limited to people around your age it seems...

[ChristmasNeeve]

I suppose if you wanted to look for examples of this kind of banter spilling over into real life you only have to look at that case in NI involving those Rugby players

[bots]

it's the equivalent of trumps famous "locker room banter" really, it's always going to offend some while others don't care

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's the equivalent of trumps famous "locker room banter" really, it's always going to offend some while others don't care

Yes, great example 'locker room' banter breeds men like Trump that suggest it's OK to 'grab women by the pussy' and are accused of rape.. just like Trump.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's the equivalent of trumps famous "locker room banter" really, it's always going to offend some while others don't care

Trump's was less locker room banter and more rape talk.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I suppose if you wanted to look for examples of this kind of banter spilling over into real life you only have to look at that case in NI involving those Rugby players

...that’s exactly the case I was thinking about earlier, actually...it’s something that sadly can become a ‘mindset’ and then lead and lead...the ‘impress mates’ or follow the words and actions of a group can be something that’s continued...and it wouldn’t be something that a uni would want to be attached to...if anything had happened and they’d known.../...seen what was said and then actions followed ...

[Parmy]

Rats.

[thesheriff443]

I think they are probably mature but it’s just lads being lads. But young people are exposed to so much sexual stuff these days and most of it is not censored it’s easy for people to see sex as anything goes.

[Peppermint]

Removing him??? Waaaaay an overreaction. People should be allowed to say whatever they want in private. He didn't make any threats, sure there might have been some gross comments in there but they took it too far... it's literally letters on a screen

[user104658]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Removing him??? Waaaaay an overreaction. People should be allowed to say whatever they want in private. He didn't make any threats, sure there might have been some gross comments in there but they took it too far... it's literally letters on a screen

Weeeell we don't know that there weren't any threats. Given that there were a few of them doing it and only one had his place removed, I think it's a safe-ish bet that that one did wander into the territory of actual threats/talk of force.

I also don't think having an offer of a place taken away is as severe as being removed from a course that has started. From what I can tell these guys haven't even started at the University yet so it's not like they've invested their time in a course there yet, and any tuition fees etc will be refunded if the course hasn't started.

[Ammi]

...o mean, we’re discussing it obviously because that’s what we do, a section like this would be pointless if we didn’t...but we don't know what the screenshots said that the uni based their decision on...and because he hadn’t started yet, they had nothing to balance his character on in terms of time spent there as a student...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...o mean, we’re discussing it obviously because that’s what we do, a section like this would be pointless if we didn’t...but we don't know what the screenshots said that the uni based their decision on...and because he hadn’t started yet, they had nothing to balance his character on in terms of time spent there as a student...

I think that's the crux of it really, saying "We no longer want you to come here" is very different to being expelled, which would be a much longer disciplinary process with various checks and balances. Legally they would have to have good reason to expel. It's just the same as with employment really; if someone hasn't started a new job yet, the employer can withdraw the offer. If they're already in employment, firing them isn't a simple process.

A few people were removed from my wife's course during her time there, for reasons far worse than this and even then its a process that takes 3+ months.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think that's the crux of it really, saying "We no longer want you to come here" is very different to being expelled, which would be a much longer disciplinary process with various checks and balances. Legally they would have to have good reason to expel. It's just the same as with employment really; if someone hasn't started a new job yet, the employer can withdraw the offer. If they're already in employment, firing them isn't a simple process.

A few people were removed from my wife's course during her time there, for reasons far worse than this and even then its a process that takes 3+ months.

...I know Durham Uni, it was my ‘local’ as a child growing up...it’s an excellent uni, one of the top ones globally...and it’s quite a privilege to get a place...you really wouldn’t want to risk ‘messing it up’ if you had...

[Christmas Dynasnow]

how would they be able to tell who was the poorest girl without detailed financial history?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

how would they be able to tell who was the poorest girl without detailed financial history?

The one wearing news paper knickers I guess

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

how would they be able to tell who was the poorest girl without detailed financial history?

I know right, what was the criteria, just show immaturity

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

how would they be able to tell who was the poorest girl without detailed financial history?

Not the posh boys thinking the poor would come in covered in soot and wearing rags.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not the posh boys thinking the poor would come in covered in soot and wearing rags.

[Marsh.]

Or was their chat up line "What brings you to a place like this? Government grant or Daddy's savings?"

[Tom4784]

Rape culture is a problem in universities and attitudes like this are often the beginning, they see women as less than and they treat them as such because they think they are entitled to. Even if it doesn't lead to rape, it's still gonna cause massive damage to the victims of this game's self esteem, confidence and potentially cause mental health issues during a time of great change and uncertainty that isn't exactly helped by the climate of the world atm.

It was the right decision.

[Oliver_W]

Expelling someone over that is going a bit far. Of course "lads" are going to "banter", and what's more it's fresher culture to pork an uggo, povvo, or fatties.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Expelling someone over that is going a bit far. Of course "lads" are going to "banter", and what's more it's fresher culture to pork an uggo, povvo, or fatties.

grim

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Revolting

Originally Posted by Niamh.

grim

Ikr, why would they ot go for the hottest