[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Reading her latest comments it actually sounds like she ... ... didn't actually know what the Nazi ideology was/how they viewed the Jews? How one reaches their mid-60's without a basic understanding that the Nazi extermination of the Jews was about racial supremacy and not "enemies" I don't know. It genuinely sounds like she's saying that she's just now learned that "Hitler and the Nazis considered the Jews to be an inferior race".

To be fair, the "everyone I disagree with is Hitler" mindset is more of an American thing than anywhere else, so maybe education about WWII in the States is lacking?

Or maybe as BOTS said, she's just not very bright

[Nicky91]

doesn't make me dislike this queen


to quote and rephrase that iconic song from sister act: i will follow her wherever she may go

[Livia]

She said: 'I misspoke... it was about race. I stand with the Jewish people, as I always have'

Hahaha..... **** off.

[Alf]

[Cherie]

same with middle aged white woman Sharon Osborne..

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

same with middle aged white woman Sharon Osborne..

You'd think that her White privilege would have helped her out, what with White privilege being such a noticeable thing.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Alf

You'd think that her White privilege would have helped her out, what with White privilege being such a noticeable thing.

White privilege IS a thing, but you can mock it all you want.

Do you want Whoopie to be permanently banned then ?? . Whoever you are people get cancelled all the time.

Whoopie knows what it's like to be treated differently and badly because of race & gender ,so nobody will convince me she's antisemitic. I don't agree with everything she says though or the way she says it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

You'd think that her White privilege would have helped her out, what with White privilege being such a noticeable thing.

The term white privilege is racist imo as it's a racial stereotype.

I understand that you're just messing around Alf, but terms like white privilege, white moment, the N word & the P word just piss me off, as it shows that in a lot of these cases people can't defend their viewpoint without referencing someone's colour of skin in a negative way.

I promise to stop posting on the thread now.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The term white privilege is racist imo as it's a racial stereotype.

I understand that you're just messing around Alf, but terms like white privilege, white moment, the N word & the P word just piss me off, as it shows that in a lot of these cases people can't defend their viewpoint without referencing someone's colour of skin in a negative way.

I promise to stop posting on the thread now.

Whether you think 'white privilege' exists or not , i've heard and seen some white people take advantage of the system, as they know they won't be treated the same way as a minority would especially in America.



In a ideal world they'd be no racism or people's skin colour mentioned in a negative way. But it happens all the time. Just like stereotyping and racial profiling keeps happening aswell.

As for Whoopi's comments about Polanski & Cosby i have no idea where she's coming from. i can't defend that as we all know they were both guilty.

But i know there's alot of hypocrisy especially in hollywood , as everyone knew Polanski was a creep yet they celebrated him not long ago at an award show.

And there's people who either don't want to believe Cosby is answerable either because they're in denial due to growing up watching him, or because of that awful mess of a court case .

[Niamh.]

David Baddiels interview here about it is very good I thought

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...r7Kre5Sir1bVQg

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

David Baddiels interview here about it is very good I thought

It's lack of education and an unwillingness to believe that racism exists outside of black/white relationships

There are probably millions of americans with exactly the same views as her and the labour party is pretty much the same here

[Mystic Mock]

Well technically Jewish people are followers of a religion, so she's not actually wrong in her statement.

Don't get me wrong it's still a horrible event what happened to those people in WWII, and like Islamophobia, Anti-Semitism is a prejudice, it's just a religious prejudice rather than a racial one.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well technically Jewish people are followers of a religion, so she's not actually wrong in her statement.

Don't get me wrong it's still a horrible event what happened to those people in WWII, and like Islamophobia, Anti-Semitism is a prejudice, it's just a religious prejudice rather than a racial one.

no, there are many, many jewish people that are not religious at all, it's like calling me a christian cause i was baptised ... it has zero meaning and couldnt be further from reality

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

no, there are many, many jewish people that are not religious at all, it's like calling me a christian cause i was baptised ... it has zero meaning and couldnt be further from reality

Well that is where it gets complicated really; there were people who were both ethnically Jewish and practicing Judaism, there were people who were converts to Judaism with no Jewish ethnicity, and there were people who were ethnically Jewish but had no faith at all.

HOWEVER, the important thing to remember is that the Nazis persecuted and murdered Jewish people regardless of the above. They drew no distinction between a religious Jewish person and an atheist with Jewish parents. Which means it wasn't about ideology... It was definitely in large part about race.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

no, there are many, many jewish people that are not religious at all, it's like calling me a christian cause i was baptised ... it has zero meaning and couldnt be further from reality

Oh I was just talking about the term Jewish is meant to mean a follower of Judaism, obviously some people once they get older aren't that religious.

Again as someone that's from a Christian family I have probably developed more into an Agnostic as I've got older.

Hitler though probably hated the fact that a lot of Jewish people are brown skinned which does ironically nuke Whoopi's statement of "it was a war between two white groups."

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh I was just talking about the term Jewish is meant to mean a follower of Judaism, obviously some people once they get older aren't that religious.

Again as someone that's from a Christian family I have probably developed more into an Agnostic as I've got older.

Hitler though probably hated the fact that a lot of Jewish people are brown skinned which does ironically nuke Whoopi's statement of "it was a war between two white groups."

Like I said earlier Mock ,not sure if you saw my message.

I don't think Whoopi is antisemitic , I think she's just clumsily worded her point. I may be off base but I think the point was how humanity has been abusing & torturing eachother regardless of race,gender , sexuality & disability.

But we all know those groups of people have been persecuted and treated inhumanly . It's still happening around the world.


Whoopie has experienced prejudice herself, she probably wouldn't be where she is today if it wasn't for people like Sidney Poitier & Hattie McDaniel ( bear in mind these 2 actors were still treated like crap behind the scenes). But they paved the way for other black and diverse actors in the industry.

And Hitler's sadistic 'regime' was based entirely on people who looked different and who followed a different religion & culture, it was about both race & religion.

But it wasn't just Jewish people tortured and killed,but anyone who dared to challenge this and other minorities etc. The Nazis had it in for Jewish people,but they didn't care who they killed. That's how brutal it was.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Like I said earlier Mock ,not sure if you saw my message.

I don't think Whoopi is antisemitic , I think she's just clumsily worded her point. I may be off base but I think the point was how humanity has been abusing & torturing eachother regardless of race,gender , sexuality & disability.

But we all know those groups of people have been persecuted and treated inhumanly . It's still happening around the world.


Whoopie has experienced prejudice herself, she probably wouldn't be where she is today if it wasn't for people like Sidney Poitier & Hattie McDaniel ( bear in mind these 2 actors were still treated like crap behind the scenes). But they paved the way for other black and diverse actors in the industry.

And Hitler's sadistic 'regime' was based entirely on people who looked different and who followed a different religion & culture, it was about both race & religion.

But it wasn't just Jewish people tortured and killed,but anyone who dared to challenge this and other minorities etc. The Nazis had it in for Jewish people,but they didn't care who they killed. That's how brutal it was.

they did care who they killed

they meticulously killed people based on racial purity

to say they killed without care is nonsense

it was planned and efficient

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Like I said earlier Mock ,not sure if you saw my message.

I don't think Whoopi is antisemitic , I think she's just clumsily worded her point. I may be off base but I think the point was how humanity has been abusing & torturing eachother regardless of race,gender , sexuality & disability.

But we all know those groups of people have been persecuted and treated inhumanly . It's still happening around the world.


Whoopie has experienced prejudice herself, she probably wouldn't be where she is today if it wasn't for people like Sidney Poitier & Hattie McDaniel ( bear in mind these 2 actors were still treated like crap behind the scenes). But they paved the way for other black and diverse actors in the industry.

And Hitler's sadistic 'regime' was based entirely on people who looked different and who followed a different religion & culture, it was about both race & religion.

But it wasn't just Jewish people tortured and killed,but anyone who dared to challenge this and other minorities etc. The Nazis had it in for Jewish people,but they didn't care who they killed. That's how brutal it was.

Hello Goldheart, and yes I did read your earlier post which made some fair points.

And again I agree with a lot of your points in this post.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well technically Jewish people are followers of a religion, so she's not actually wrong in her statement.

You can be an atheist Jew, technically. It's an ethnicity based on Israeli genes.

Being a muslim or Christian is "just" being part of a religion, being a Jew is not.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well technically Jewish people are followers of a religion, so she's not actually wrong in her statement.

Don't get me wrong it's still a horrible event what happened to those people in WWII, and like Islamophobia, Anti-Semitism is a prejudice, it's just a religious prejudice rather than a racial one.

I get so tired of non-Jews telling us who we are "technically".

Jews consider themselves a race. Whoopi Goldberg is a racist.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Livia

I get so tired of non-Jews telling us who we are "technically".

Jews consider themselves a race. Whoopi Goldberg is a racist.

Technically you're a cockney.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

I get so tired of non-Jews telling us who we are "technically".

Jews consider themselves a race. Whoopi Goldberg is a racist.

I've checked the definition and it does seem like you and Oliver have a point.

I do apologize on screwing up my facts.

[Mystic Mock]

The one part that is really weird from her comments though is that most Jewish people aren't white.

[Elliot]

She’s right

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Elliot

She’s right

she has already apologised for being wrong and is suspended

so....