[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Meh. Not really. Netflix diversity does feel forced and fake, movies aren't great quality but that's not down to their inclusion of diversity, it's their lack of subtlety that I don't think does anyone any favours. It's good to see different demographics in different roles but when it's presented in a way that makes it look too clearly like they're saying "Look! Look what we're doing!" it actually ends up feeling exploitative, in my opinion. Netflix is guilty of unskillful tokenism. But then you have chaps like this who end up seeing "shadows in every corner" and declaring everything that isn't a gruff white bloke in his 40's "woke".

White man is the villain?
Not always true plenty of examples of Netflix villains of all sexes and races.

Black man is the hero?
Obviously not true - if anything I'd say the most commonly used Netflix hero is the EXACT opposite. Young white girls.

Gay guy is the voice of reason?
Literally never seen this being a thing. Is it just because gay people are portrayed as fleshed out characters instead of comedy stereotypes like they were all through the 90's and 00's?

Woman has the balls
Not really, they obviously throw in strong female characters but I find this aspect fairly well balanced on the 'flix. They're not unrealistic with it. e.g. you don't see Joyce slicing up Demogorgons while Hopper stands back and watches in Stranger Things - they still (realistically) have the larger and stronger people doing the heavy hitting.

Dad is an idiot
This was more an old TV sitcom/kids show trope than a netflix one. It's definitely nothing new if it is there. Can't say I've seen it. "Laid back dad" is more the modern trope.

Mom is the breadwinner
Nah. They're realistic on that one too - both parents have to work in a modern household or no one is getting breakfast.

Children are sexualised:
Don't think this is true. Teens no more or less than ever in teen-shows. Actually that's not even true - it is far less. Look at things like The OC or One Tree Hill. They were hypersexualising teenagers LONG before Netflix was a thing.

meh, it's a meme, like the "Anime, Manga, Netflix Adaption" meme

[ChristmasNeeve]

The Dad is the idiot bit is definitely going on for years, a lot of times in cartoons too The Simpsons, Family Guy, even Peppa Pig

[Alf]

Thank you, you've confirmed my assumption that this tweeter was over exaggerating. But as someone who doesn't watch Netflix, I wanted to find out by people that do.

We didn't need to go through the other bull to get to that did we?

[Liam-]

Antifa isn’t a group

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Antifa isn’t a group

Whatever you want to call it, it is weird like any extremist movement.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Antifa isn’t a group

It's a terrorist group.

[Cal.]

They continue to make ridiculous choices. No respect for their users whatsoever.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Cal.

They continue to make ridiculous choices. No respect for their users whatsoever.

Exactly. No wonder many are leaving.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Exactly. No wonder many are leaving.

Unfortunately they built a huge platform that was bolstered by being a monopoly on any sort of decent quality streaming... but with Prime branching out into self-made content, Disney+ buying up studios and gaining a load of content that way, and big networks like HBO having their own thing going on as well... Netflix just went in totally the wrong direction IMO. They found themselves needing "as much content as possible" and as a result a lot of that content is really poor quality... whereas they used to have a smaller number of "flagship" shows that were much higher quality. A lot of those have ended or are ending (e.g. Stranger Things) and they haven't replaced them with high quality material.

Don't get me wrong, I'm keeping my sub because I actually adore trash telly, and I actually love shows like "Too Hot To Handle", "Love Is Blind" and "The Ultimatum" but I can appreciate that it's really not what most people are after... especially when they're UPPING prices.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Unfortunately they built a huge platform that was bolstered by being a monopoly on any sort of decent quality streaming... but with Prime branching out into self-made content, Disney+ buying up studios and gaining a load of content that way, and big networks like HBO having their own thing going on as well... Netflix just went in totally the wrong direction IMO. They found themselves needing "as much content as possible" and as a result a lot of that content is really poor quality... whereas they used to have a smaller number of "flagship" shows that were much higher quality. A lot of those have ended or are ending (e.g. Stranger Things) and they haven't replaced them with high quality material.

Don't get me wrong, I'm keeping my sub because I actually adore trash telly, and I actually love shows like "Too Hot To Handle", "Love Is Blind" and "The Ultimatum" but I can appreciate that it's really not what most people are after... especially when they're UPPING prices.

Again apologies to anyone I'm annoying with over posting.

But I just want to say if anyone wants high quality Netflix content I'd check one of these Shows out if you haven't already.

Mindhunter
Dark
Sense8
The Haunting Of Hill House (ignore the terrible Bly Manor)
Alice In Borderland
Arcane
Dark Crystal TV Series

And if you're looking for decent but not exceptional Shows imo.

The Sandman
The Rain

And tbh that's about it.

[Tom4784]

The only people who can say if the diversity is forced or not is the people whom the diversity is aimed at. Anything else just comes across as entitled people crying because other people aside from themselves exist.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

The only people who can say if the diversity is forced or not is the people whom the diversity is aimed at. Anything else just comes across as entitled people crying because other people aside from themselves exist.

I mean it's more charitable to say that they're highlighting diversity ham-fistedly but with well meaning... the only other alternative is that they're just horribly written characters.

To be clear; my issue is NOT the diversity, and characters being from any demographic - the shows should be diverse and that should just be normal - my issue is when it's like "Hey everyone this is my sister. SHE'S BLACK! We'll make reference to that a whooole lot because it's important that you know that Netflix does lots of diversity!". She could just be black.

It takes away from the character, it takes away from the story and it does start to feel like tokenism and that it's there very obviously for the image of the content creator, not out of any genuine desire to promote diverse casts.

A prime example I always use is Endgame... because y'all know I'm Tibb's biggest feminist. Female characters front and centre? Love it. Empowerment? Absolutely. MORE female characters and in more prominent roles - yes.

The "all the female heroes suddenly assembling on the battlefield" in Endgame ... no! It's daft, it's immersion-breaking, it doesn't make ANY logical sense whatsoever, and it was blatantly thrown in there purely for PR.

That sort of diversity isn't real diversity - it's a neon sign that says "Hey look we're diverse" and it's usually to distract from a complete LACK of real diversity -- case in point, NONE of those female heroes in Endgame were being paid a fraction of what Paul Rudd was paid as Ant-man... let alone your RDJ/Evans/Hemsworth trio. But they sure did get their "empowering scene".

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

The only people who can say if the diversity is forced or not is the people whom the diversity is aimed at. Anything else just comes across as entitled people crying because other people aside from themselves exist.

I think being fair there are cases where I've seen Shows do forced diversity, but it doesn't necessarily mean the Show has to be bad either.

And again being fair I have seen white characters being shoehorned into programmes in recent years where the writers haven't had a clue on what to do with them because they're only there to tick the white character box.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Yeah totally agree with you about that Endgame scene and thoughts in general about badly executed female characters/scenes in movies like that, it's cringey and not at all organic. Better written more fleshed out female characters is what I want to see. Ones that aren't just there as eye candy or to only be there for some reason that relates to a male character. It has been getting better though

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah totally agree with you about that Endgame scene and thoughts in general about badly executed female characters/scenes in movies like that, it's cringey and not at all organic. Better written more fleshed out female characters is what I want to see. Ones that aren't just there as eye candy or to only be there for some reason that relates to a male character. It has been getting better though

This is also why Capt. Marvel will always be infinitely superior to the borderline-misogynistic Wonder Woman... though I do remember some male members on here insisting that it was WW that was done better

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is also why Capt. Marvel will always be infinitely superior to the borderline-misogynistic Wonder Woman... though I do remember some male members on here insisting that it was WW that was done better

I quite liked Wonder woman and those movies maybe a nostalgia thing

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I quite liked Wonder woman and those movies maybe a nostalgia thing

It's not a terrible film but it's somewhat problematic that for more than half of the film... Wonder Woman is plainly NOT the protagonist . I actually like the character too - but I think she's portrayed far better in both Batman vs Superman and Justice League (the proper Snyder cut obviously, not stinky Whedon version) than in her own film .

I do have to remind myself that this is ultimately a male perspective though and I'm not actually female.

...no matter what those "What's ur Gender" quizzes say.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is also why Capt. Marvel will always be infinitely superior to the borderline-misogynistic Wonder Woman... though I do remember some male members on here insisting that it was WW that was done better

I can't remember if I was one of those or not I'm biased toward DC in general, and found Captain Marvel a bit boring, so that probably skewed my "at the time" comments. I can barely remember either movie, so that shows how committed I was to what I said

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is also why Capt. Marvel will always be infinitely superior to the borderline-misogynistic Wonder Woman... though I do remember some male members on here insisting that it was WW that was done better

The first Wonder Woman was better written than Captain Marvel, I thought. I always thought that the Captain Marvel film script read like a man wrote it that had a shallow idea of what feminism was. It felt very cliche.

That being said, WW84 turning Diana into a rapist was just about the worst thing they could do.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Another reason for me not to get Netflix. They're awful.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is also why Capt. Marvel will always be infinitely superior to the borderline-misogynistic Wonder Woman... though I do remember some male members on here insisting that it was WW that was done better

I haven't seen either Film, but they both look like they're doing their thing well.

After all there's nothing wrong with an attractive woman leading a Film, just like there's nothing wrong with a more feminist type of character leading a Film (as long as it doesn't man hate) but I'm gonna guess that both Films are at least okay in quality.

[Nicky91]

SkyShowtime has got lots for everyone

all Star Trek classic films, as well as Jurassic Park/World collection, Indiana Jones collection


new films such as Top Gun: Maverick, Ambulance


the whole ''Yellowstone'' collection of (1883, 1923 and Yellowstone)



much better streaming service than Netflix



and Disney+ in general is still great too, for those already customers, the price remains the same, rather than stupid Netflix their their making prices go up also for existing customers which is a stupid move which obviously makes more people leave

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

and Disney+ in general is still great too, for those already customers, the price remains the same, rather than stupid Netflix their their making prices go up also for existing customers which is a stupid move which obviously makes more people leave

I've had Disney+ basically free for ages now. I got 2x "6 months for 800 Tesco Clubcard points" in a row and then just when that ran out, I got 12 months free with my phone contract renewal. And my original sub was a "pre order" thing that was like £25 for the first year. So I'll have had 3 years of Disney+ for £41. Just over £1 a month. Not bad .

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

SkyShowtime has got lots for everyone

all Star Trek classic films, as well as Jurassic Park/World collection, Indiana Jones collection


new films such as Top Gun: Maverick, Ambulance


the whole ''Yellowstone'' collection of (1883, 1923 and Yellowstone)



much better streaming service than Netflix



and Disney+ in general is still great too, for those already customers, the price remains the same, rather than stupid Netflix their their making prices go up also for existing customers which is a stupid move which obviously makes more people leave

People should have Disney+ just to watch Spider-Man: The Animated Series if they're like me and didn't watch it in the 90's, Tron Uprising, and the underrated Iron-Man 1990's Cartoon, Season 2 in particular has some really strong episodes.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

People should have Disney+ just to watch Spider-Man: The Animated Series if they're like me and didn't watch it in the 90's, Tron Uprising, and the underrated Iron-Man 1990's Cartoon, Season 2 in particular has some really strong episodes.

and the classic cartoons like Mickey Mouse not to forget


Disney in general is 100 years old now!

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