[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Ultimately it's the establishment's choice though; they are licensed premises (they serve alcohol) so it's not a fully "public space" where the owners don't get a choice -- you CAN make any pub 18+ and enforce that. The pub I frequented as a teenager, ironically, was an 18+ only pub (even though half the people there getting hammered were 16/17 ... simpler times back then). But yeah, TECHNICALLY kids weren't allowed.

My sister was a bar manager of a small (island community) hotel for several years, the bar there also served food but had a 10pm "cut off" for kids, so most of the day it was a family bar/food place and then from 10pm - 2am it was drunken rowdy fishermen and sheep farmers .

Sooo ultimately, if a pub allows under 18's... you just sort of have to accept that. They can make the choice and they know they have the right to make the choice so if you don't like being somewhere that kids are around, you can make the choice to find somewhere that better fits your needs. They do still exist.

It's actually law here that children under 15 have to be out of Pubs by 9pm.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Ultimately it's the establishment's choice though; they are licensed premises (they serve alcohol) so it's not a fully "public space" where the owners don't get a choice -- you CAN make any pub 18+ and enforce that. The pub I frequented as a teenager, ironically, was an 18+ only pub (even though half the people there getting hammered were 16/17 ... simpler times back then). But yeah, TECHNICALLY kids weren't allowed.

My sister was a bar manager of a small (island community) hotel for several years, the bar there also served food but had a 10pm "cut off" for kids, so most of the day it was a family bar/food place and then from 10pm - 2am it was drunken rowdy fishermen and sheep farmers .

Sooo ultimately, if a pub allows under 18's... you just sort of have to accept that. They can make the choice and they know they have the right to make the choice so if you don't like being somewhere that kids are around, you can make the choice to find somewhere that better fits your needs. They do still exist.

I haven’t got a problem with teenagers who happen not to be 18 yet coming in. 16-year-olds were allowed to buy their own cigarettes until late 2007 (you only had to be 16 back then, not 18+) and generally teenagers were afforded more rights and space to make their own decisions. We like to baby and infantilise teenagers these days (no wonder they don’t seem to grow up as fast as millenial/early zennial teenagers and prior) but ultimately a teenager’s a teenager, not a 6-year-old. And contrarily Wetherspoons sometimes put a cap-slice on people under 21 coming in and staying on Friday/Saturday nights. 18 is a VERY arbitrary age.

[user104658]

Would also say that anywhere that relies on serving meals as a major part of their business will not really be financially viable for long if they don't allow families. Though I have seen plenty of places that get around this by having a separate room for dining families and a more traditional "drinking pub" section in another room.

[Dogeatdog]

I don’t see a problem with kids being in a pub. One of the Wetherspoons I go to before match days will have a number of families in there having breakfast before making their way down to the game which is totally fine.

In proper pubs I don’t mind it either. Don’t get me wrong it might be annoying if they’re running around screaming or whatever but if it’s a pub that has a huge garden (and maybe a play area) then I can’t really complain. I’ll either put up with it or go elsewhere.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Dogeatdog

I don’t see a problem with kids being in a pub. One of the Wetherspoons I go to before match days will have a number of families in there having breakfast before making their way down to the game which is totally fine.

In proper pubs I don’t mind it either. Don’t get me wrong it might be annoying if they’re running around screaming or whatever but if it’s a pub that has a huge garden (and maybe a play area) then I can’t really complain. I’ll either put up with it or go elsewhere.

What about an old man’s pub with no outdoor space whatsoever?

[Z]

My dad took me and my younger brother to the pub after football games from when I was 12/13 probably, sitting at a table with his friends was fairly mind numbing but I think it served two purposes: taught us how to behave in a bar and kept him and his friends from getting smashed after the football, so I think we all kept each other in check. I think you'd call that kind of pub a gastropub nowadays but don't remember it having that kind of label back then, was just their chosen pub for chatting ****e.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Z

My dad took me and my younger brother to the pub after football games from when I was 12/13 probably, sitting at a table with his friends was fairly mind numbing but I think it served two purposes: taught us how to behave in a bar and kept him and his friends from getting smashed after the football, so I think we all kept each other in check. I think you'd call that kind of pub a gastropub nowadays but don't remember it having that kind of label back then, was just their chosen pub for chatting ****e.

Not really talking about 12/13 onwards. I mean actual little kids.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Redway

Not really talking about 12/13 onwards. I mean actual little kids.

My brother would have been 8/9 - I think any younger than that and you're asking for trouble probably

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Z

My brother would have been 8/9 - I think any younger than that and you're asking for trouble probably

And yet parents roll in their 5-year-olds.

[caprimint]

I don't really think kids should be anywhere near pubs at all

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I don't really think kids should be anywhere near pubs at all

Completely agree

Sadly many grow up in them practically.. especially at weekends


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I don't really think kids should be anywhere near pubs at all

Bring them in if you’re really pressed for baby-sitting but don’t expect the adults there to suddenly have to modify their behaviour just so your kids aren’t offended. If you don’t want their impressionable ears to hear people swear, don’t take them to an adult environment that’s not clearly designated as family-friendly.

[Zizu]

My daughter is a nursery teacher in a primary school and she’s often said that some of her pupils aged around 4 yrs old routinely say phrases and swear words typical of pubs /bars .


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

My daughter is a nursery teacher in a primary school and she’s often said that some of her pupils aged around 4 yrs old routinely say phrases and swear words typical of pubs /bars .


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Because parents bring them in like it’s their prerogative to have their noisy brats running around and annoying people. Of course they’re going to pick up stuff they shouldn’t when they’re in environments that aren’t suitable for them or really meant for their ears.

[Redway]

Make. It. STOP. Get your hyperactive brats a babysitter if they’re not capable of being relatively well-behaved.

[Livia]

We might have Sunday lunch in the pub but the dining area is separate from the bar. I wouldn't take them into a pub otherwise. My parents never took us anywhere near a pub when we were kids either.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Livia

We might have Sunday lunch in the pub but the dining area is separate from the bar. I wouldn't take them into a pub otherwise. My parents never took us anywhere near a pub when we were kids either.

Sounds like your parents were very sensible and considerate. And you were probably one of the good kids.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

We might have Sunday lunch in the pub but the dining area is separate from the bar. I wouldn't take them into a pub otherwise. My parents never took us anywhere near a pub when we were kids either.

Mine neither but then my Mum never drank in her life and my Dad rarely ever went to a pub - he got his alcohol at the Lodge

I remember often going to the golf club when they has acts on during the summer but we were always outside at the putting green. Otherwise never went near a pub and neither did any of my children when they were wee

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im still getting over the fact that English people went to the pub on Christmas day - I could not believe that when I first lived in London

[user104658]

Pubs are not really viable as businesses any more unless they're gastro pubs catering to families so I'm afraid your choice is either accept the kids in having their sausage and mash, or go and have a drink on your couch because the pub will have shut down.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Pubs are not really viable as businesses any more unless they're gastro pubs catering to families so I'm afraid your choice is either accept the kids in having their sausage and mash, or go and have a drink on your couch because the pub will have shut down.

No brats should be in there past 7.30 pm, gastro or no gastro.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

No brats should be in there past 7.30 pm, gastro or no gastro.

Not viable. They'll just close.

[Beso]

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[bots]

rules and then working practices evolve over a long time period. By working practices, i mean things like dining areas etc which develop to maximise profit for the pub and enjoyment for the customer. If you don't agree with a pubs policy on how it deals with kids, then you are not it's demographic and you should just move on because they already decided what works best for them