[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I’m working class but haven’t perceived this as a class issue. The difference I see is in the quality and depth of conversations, and in the strength in connections that have developed, as a result.

Exactly !!


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

100% agree. From what I remember Jordan has especially made comments about "those people" when speaking to Henry from the beginning of the series.

Meaning - those horrible people …


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[Garfie]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

100% agree. From what I remember Jordan has especially made comments about "those people" when speaking to Henry from the beginning of the series.

Wasn’t that done in jest as part of his Downton persona?
That’s what I thought as he has already revealed that he is the product of a single parent family and he went to a pretty rough comprehensive school.

[Ammi]

…I thought I recalled a comment from another housemate about some group chats being centred around sexual stuff etc…/…quite one dimensional and crude, type thing…it’s a natural thing to gravitate toward conversations and groups who it’s felt more comfortable to take part in…a more expansive conversation….it’s snobbery, it’s something that many of us do…like when we open a thread and don’t have anything to add so we move in elsewhere and something we feel more engaged in….

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Wasn’t that done in jest as part of his Downton persona?
That’s what I thought as he has already revealed that he is the product of a single parent family and he went to a pretty rough comprehensive school.

Yes,I think it was said in jest,you just have to get his humour,he seems a nice caring person from what I have seen.

[HettyTheHarelip]

Originally Posted by MTVN

These three in particular definitely think they're intellectually superior to the other housemates and are able to have conversations at a 'higher level'. Trish is always nominating Paul because he's not intelligent enough for her and Jordan sneers at him as well.

Thing is not everyone is conventionally intelligent or naturally engaged in politics and other topics but there's other things that they will know a lot about. Paul seems to have worked hard to turn his life around after a difficult youth and is now succeeding in a competitive sport - maybe Trish could ask him about that. It's ironic for me that she is a real left wing firebrand yet gravitates to the more affluent housemates and is a bit condescending towards people who are non-political. Jordan also mocks Paul and the 'good interaction' they had in the morning but it's not like he's making any effort to mingle with people outside of his comfort zone. Even Yinrun had a bit of a condescending attitude towards Noky imo saying she spends too much time talking about being Miss Universe and the fact she is proud of that.

Whole point of BB is you're forced to live with people from vastly difns on my tongue" contests?ferent backgrounds yet some of these people would rather exclusively spend time with the same type of people they'd hang around with all the time in the outside world

What is the alternative to what you decry as Trish and two others displaying their 'superior intellect' gratuitously to the detriment of .other housemates?
Are you suggesting that, in order to conform to the stunted abilities of the others, they should patronize and belittle them by pretending they are confined to the same intellectual and cultural milieu in which several of the house's other residents fester?
Should they seek popularity and acceptance by agreeing to discuss the art of lighting farts with Paul or engage in conversations that, clearly, provide insuffiient stimulus. There is nothing wrong with being bright, and the law of averages suggests that for every bright spark there is a dying flame,, as so ably demonstrated by this BB community.
It is far more honest and conducive to a healthy atmosphere to behave exactly like the person you are, rather than to adopt the guise of an intellectual -also-ran in order to fit in. It is patronizing and dishonest and it demands that you compromise your values and your integrity .

P.S. You provide a fine example of toxic anti-intellectualism

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by HettyTheHarelip

What is the alternative to what you decry as Trish and two others displaying their 'superior intellect' gratuitously to the detriment of .other housemates?
Are you suggesting that, in order to conform to the stunted abilities of the others, they should patronize and belittle them by pretending they are confined to the same intellectual and cultural milieu in which several of the house's other residents fester?
Should they seek popularity and acceptance by agreeing to discuss the art of lighting farts with Paul or engage in conversations that, clearly, provide insuffiient stimulus. There is nothing wrong with being bright, and the law of averages suggests that for every bright spark there is a dying flame,, as so ably demonstrated by this BB community.
It is far more honest and conducive to a healthy atmosphere to behave exactly like the person you are, rather than to adopt the guise of an intellectual -also-ran in order to fit in. It is patronizing and dishonest and it demands that you compromise your values and your integrity .

P.S. You provide a fine example of toxic anti-intellectualism

Thank you for the compliment

Being able to mix with a diverse set of people is a fine trait to have and the whole point of BB. If you find yourself unable to have a conversation with someone then it's always worth considering how you can change that rather than just sneering at them for being 'confined' to a lower 'intellectual and cultural milieu'. People are rarely the two dimensional characters that they are made out to be and everyone has something different to offer.

[Lostie!]

I'm a council estate boy and I'd be snobbish about Paul.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by HettyTheHarelip

What is the alternative to what you decry as Trish and two others displaying their 'superior intellect' gratuitously to the detriment of .other housemates?
Are you suggesting that, in order to conform to the stunted abilities of the others, they should patronize and belittle them by pretending they are confined to the same intellectual and cultural milieu in which several of the house's other residents fester?
Should they seek popularity and acceptance by agreeing to discuss the art of lighting farts with Paul or engage in conversations that, clearly, provide insuffiient stimulus. There is nothing wrong with being bright, and the law of averages suggests that for every bright spark there is a dying flame,, as so ably demonstrated by this BB community.
It is far more honest and conducive to a healthy atmosphere to behave exactly like the person you are, rather than to adopt the guise of an intellectual -also-ran in order to fit in. It is patronizing and dishonest and it demands that you compromise your values and your integrity .

P.S. You provide a fine example of toxic anti-intellectualism

Originally Posted by MTVN

Thank you for the compliment

Being able to mix with a diverse set of people is a fine trait to have and the whole point of BB. If you find yourself unable to have a conversation with someone then it's always worth considering how you can change that rather than just sneering at them for being 'confined' to a lower 'intellectual and cultural milieu'. People are rarely the two dimensional characters that they are made out to be and everyone has something different to offer.

…filling the quota for TiBB staff toxic anti-intellectualism minorities ….tick….

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…filling the quota for TiBB staff toxic anti-intellectualism minorities ….tick….

The only reason James keeps me around tbh

[Babayaro.]

They are coming across that way a wee bit tbf yeah

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I'm a council estate boy and I'd be snobbish about Paul.

Trish was correct about Paul. Okay to look at but no substance to him.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Trish was correct about Paul. Okay to look at but no substance to him.

Half right … definitely no substance


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[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Trish likes to give advice but does she take it?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Trish likes to give advice but does she take it?

I think she would from her friends, she's not going to take advice from Kerry .

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think she would from her friends, she's not going to take advice from Kerry .

Would any sane person?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ithinkiloveyoutoo

trish likes to give advice but does she take it?

she is a very unattractive person

a bully and delusions of grandeur

and someone tell her that greasy red wig is disgusting

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

she is a very unattractive person

a bully and delusions of grandeur

and someone tell her that greasy red wig is disgusting

No need to attack looks. You haven't changed one bit in 84 years, LT.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Would any sane person?

Nope...except those that are paid to.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Would any sane person?

Yeah I think a chocolate teapot would give better advice .

[HettyTheHarelip]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Thank you for the compliment

Being able to mix with a diverse set of people is a fine trait to have and the whole point of BB. If you find yourself unable to have a conversation with someone then it's always worth considering how you can change that rather than just sneering at them for being 'confined' to a lower 'intellectual and cultural milieu'. People are rarely the two dimensional characters that they are made out to be and everyone has something different to offer.

""Being able to mix with a diverse set of people is a fine trait to have and the whole point of BB"". Are you for real?? BB thrives on confrontation, encourages it, arranges it. Read the messages and listen to the audience in the in the show that follows BB. It is a key component for attracting the key BB demographic.

""If you find yourself unable to have a conversation with someone then it's always worth considering how you can change that.......""
Good grief, is THAT what you think BB wants and what attracts the key BB audience to the show? Love and peace, man!! Spliffs on the house. The show would fold in the second week;
Look how devious, dishonest, dissembling so many of the housemates are and how much attention is lavished on the miscreants. They were selected as housemates BECAUSE they are unpricipled and none-too-bright creatures of the night.
I am not sneering at them, I am merely telling it as it is.
Mind you, if I felt like sneering - and looking at Paul, Hallie, Olivia and the rotten Kerrie - I would not feel morally compromised in doing so.

""People are rarely the two dimensional characters that they are made out to be and everyone has something different to offer.""
What, pray tell, does Paul have to offer. A repertoire of fart-centric anecdotes
and space for rent in his cerebellum? What does Hallie have to offer apart from infantile histrionics and a self-serving approach to inter-personal relationships - she's a user of people and grows a cancer where her social conscience should be.

Your .suggestion that "people are rarely the two-dimensional characters they are made out to be". tells me nothing.. If you wish to make a point, you have to support it. Equally banal is the claim that "" everyone has something different to offer"", as it is made to look undernourished when the answer is "yes, and in the case of Hallie the something else that's on offer is malice, perhaps delusion, certainly an inexplicably massive ego". But then you declined to define the norm against which the "something else" you refer to is to be measured. A substantial omission.

Your post is undermined by a lack of clarity and consequently by a failure to support your contentions.

.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by HettyTheHarelip

""Being able to mix with a diverse set of people is a fine trait to have and the whole point of BB"". Are you for real?? BB thrives on confrontation, encourages it, arranges it. Read the messages and listen to the audience in the in the show that follows BB. It is a key component for attracting the key BB demographic.

""If you find yourself unable to have a conversation with someone then it's always worth considering how you can change that.......""
Good grief, is THAT what you think BB wants and what attracts the key BB audience to the show? Love and peace, man!! Spliffs on the house. The show would fold in the second week;
Look how devious, dishonest, dissembling so many of the housemates are and how much attention is lavished on the miscreants. They were selected as housemates BECAUSE they are unpricipled and none-too-bright creatures of the night.
I am not sneering at them, I am merely telling it as it is.
Mind you, if I felt like sneering - and looking at Paul, Hallie, Olivia and the rotten Kerrie - I would not feel morally compromised in doing so.

""People are rarely the two dimensional characters that they are made out to be and everyone has something different to offer.""
What, pray tell, does Paul have to offer. A repertoire of fart-centric anecdotes
and space for rent in his cerebellum? What does Hallie have to offer apart from infantile histrionics and a self-serving approach to inter-personal relationships - she's a user of people and grows a cancer where her social conscience should be.

Your .suggestion that "people are rarely the two-dimensional characters they are made out to be". tells me nothing.. If you wish to make a point, you have to support it. Equally banal is the claim that "" everyone has something different to offer"", as it is made to look undernourished when the answer is "yes, and in the case of Hallie the something else that's on offer is malice, perhaps delusion, certainly an inexplicably massive ego". But then you declined to define the norm against which the "something else" you refer to is to be measured. A substantial omission.

Your post is undermined by a lack of clarity and consequently by a failure to support your contentions.

.

I disagree, conflict and confrontation should be only part of the show. There is very little confrontation currently anyway.

Spliffs on the house is the main part of your post which made sense to me and certainly seems like a good idea.

Both Hallie and Paul have lived vastly different lives to Jordan and Henry - that is what they have to offer

Your final paragraph reads just like the teacher's comments on my A-level history essay