[ebandit]

and i thought......................i don't understand 'cos i'm not as bright as ali.................

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[Oliver_W]

It was just a load of BS. I wonder how much of it she believed herself tbh.

She's almost like the "NPC" meme, and someone fed a bunch of Tumblr nonsense into an AI generator and asked it to write literal gibberish about the housemates.

AND I want to fish-slap anyone who unironically calls themselves or others "queer."

[Katmieow]

For a psychologist she speaks utter inane psychobabble.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Katmieow

For a psychologist she speaks utter inane psychobabble.

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[Tizmee]

I don’t understand why none of the other HG’s have pulled Ali up on her verbal diarrhoea!

They don’t need to have an ‘ology to see how she’s trying to manipulate them into nominating (and despising) others her way!

[Crimson Dynamo]

She is the typical dead-eyed goon on a pro-hamas rally holding a Socialist Worker Placard
wearing an "all illegal migrants welcome" tea shirt whilst having just paid £100 to renew her passport...

[Tizmee]

I must’ve missed something…

How did Nathan pull Ali up last night?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Tizmee

I must’ve missed something…

How did Nathan pull Ali up last night?

It was not major...it was when they were discussing Martha's dress sense and Nathan wasn't agreeing with Ali's opinion and told her to **** off before shutting the smoking room door.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It was not major...it was when they were discussing Martha's dress sense and Nathan wasn't agreeing with Ali's opinion and told her to **** off before shutting the smoking room door.

I feel like Nathan came across really bad in that exchange imo.

Martha hasn't done anything to warrant her dress sense being attacked I feel.

[caprimint]

The way it was actually accurate tho

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The way it was actually accurate tho

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The way it was actually accurate tho

The delulu is strong ...but ok .

[Parmy]

I mean she said all that, then the camera pans into the living room and you have marcello sitting there with his mouth half open, kahled topless, bouncing something off his head, segun doing the worm on the floor, and Tom,just Tom.

Do you think!!

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Beso

I mean she said all that, then the camera pans into the living room and you have marcello sitting there with his mouth half open, kahled, topless bouncing something of his head, segun doing the worm on the floor, and Tom, just Tom.

Do you think!!

She's forgotten Thomas is straight, or she just doesn't feel threatened by him.... she's going on about " The straight boys" but forgot to acknowledge him ad he's quiet I guess, but you would think she'd stick point out he's part of this ' hierarchy ' in her delulu mind anyway .

If we go down the Ali rabbit hole theory...then that
means Martha is on her team with Nathan,but again her
theory is a complete contradiction anyway, as Nathan detests Martha ...and he spends his days moaning about her ,as he chases BP around the house like a lanky beanpole.


She's right about Dean as he has no mind of his own ,and will nod to everything she says. Which is funny... considering Dean actually got on with the lads ,he was all " yeah bro " with them , now suddenly he thinks the boys are running the house and trying to get Ali out.

[joeysteele]

I have to admit I didn't see it as Ali was presenting her own observations.
However I'm not in the house 24 hours a day like she is.

She's obviously intelligent and maybe does try at times too much to analyse everything.

A lot of what she was describing got lost with me I'm afraid but then she sees it all being in the house all this time so far.

I can't believe at all that Dean really understood it all either.

However I've liked Ali from the start and still do.
I agree with Khaled that she is really interesting.
Plus positively or negatively Ali will be one of the most talked about housemates this series.

[GoldGlitter]

She was 100% correct. That why jocks get away with so much in American schools. While boys who are considered too feminine and gay languish at the bottom of the hierarchy. 3/4 who face homophobic bullying are straight Columbine shooters are perfect examples of this were bullied for years. Students accounted how they were harshly bullied, including being called homophobic insults and a and respond to that attack in their masculinity with violence. That's why there is so many mass shootings.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GoldGlitter

She was 100% correct. That why jocks get away with so much in American schools. While boys who are considered too feminine and gay languish at the bottom of the hierarchy. 3/4 who face homophobic bullying are straight Columbine shooters are perfect examples of this were bullied for years. Students accounted how they were harshly bullied, including being called homophobic insults and a and respond to that attack in their masculinity with violence. That's why there is so many mass shootings.

Even if I did accept your takes here as true, or even close to true, how does that apply to the house at ALL?

She was talking specifically about the house, not US high schools.

[GoldGlitter]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Even if I did accept your takes here as true, or even close to true, how does that apply to the house at ALL?

She was talking specifically about the house, not US high schools.

That gang of boisterous boys are the jocks of the house. Women like Hanah who follows a religion who expect her to be servants for men have to adopt the same hypermasculine values. That's why she's constantly try's to show her power and dominance. By acting tough and intimidating others.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GoldGlitter

That gang of boisterous boys are the jocks of the house.

I don't agree with the statement, but tell me what power these immigrants and working class lads of colour have that Ali doesn't have? I need someone that agrees with her to tell me how they are in any way above her in a 'hierarchy'. In what way is this educated well spoken middle class professional white woman on the bottom of it?

Originally Posted by GoldGlitter

Women like Hanah who follows a religion who expect her to be servants for men have to adopt the same hypermasculine values That's why she's constantly try's to show her power and dominance. By acting tough and intimidating others.

You do know that you can use the word 'Muslim', right? You have a used a lot of extra words there to seemingly avoid doing so.

But, she is servile and that's why she is 'tough and intimidating'? That doesn't make much sense. Can you expand on it so that I understand?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I don't agree with the statement, but tell me what power these immigrants and working class lads of colour have that Ali doesn't have? I need someone that agrees with her to tell me how they are in any way above her in a 'hierarchy'. In what way is this educated well spoken middle class professional white woman on the bottom of it?




You do know that you can use the word 'Muslim', right? You have a used a lot of extra words there to seemingly avoid doing so.

But, she is servile and that's why she is 'tough and intimidating'? That doesn't make much sense. Can you expand on it so that I understand?

Hilarious isn't it, sometimes I think the social experiment is more about the viewer than the HM, a white middle class woman is at the bottom of the pyramid ....lol ...normally she would be called a Karen, lucky for her she is a lesbian so some would appear to have taken to their hearts at the expense of the black woman they would usually be championing irl...give me strength

oh and and an aside anyone who didnt champion the black woman would be a racist.... mmmm how does that work then

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I don't agree with the statement, but tell me what power these immigrants and working class lads of colour have that Ali doesn't have? I need someone that agrees with her to tell me how they are in any way above her in a 'hierarchy'. In what way is this educated well spoken middle class professional white woman on the bottom of it?




You do know that you can use the word 'Muslim', right? You have a used a lot of extra words there to seemingly avoid doing so.

But, she is servile and that's why she is 'tough and intimidating'? That doesn't make much sense. Can you expand on it so that I understand?

[Maru]

She is entitled to her woo but it's certainly not anything close to Psychology. It's the type of woo for people who like to pontificate in front of groups and it's those people who are most attracted to it, ie those who most love hearing themselves speak and being praised for it. It is meant to appeal to the most neurotic of people. So of course this appeals to Ali, because she attaches herself to those individuals as a rule, and thus creates the authority in which she apparently craves. She throws these things out there because she's looking to hook herself a susceptible audience.

Like any fundamentalist religion, the point of professing a caste system or placing people in self-confining boxes that involve some kind of scoring system, is funny enough to take advantage of those sore points since the system claims it will address. It can't really as it only just aims to to divide population(s) by design, which further perpetuates the narrative… it's not meant to solve problems, just find more of them... By suggesting to oneself for example that that person is already a slave to something, for example, that person has made themselves much easier to emotionally farm, thus easier to be gamed by that system. It's actually very easy to craft a victim narrative from basically anything... much harder to resolve any real issues and tackle deep rooted issues in ourselves objectively (much less identify things objectively externally and fix them), regardless of apparent narratives... anyone who says there's a system that gains every person who follows that thinking unique insight into the actual cogs and workings of all individuals on the planet is running a scam.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Maru

She is entitled to her woo but it's certainly not anything close to Psychology. It's the type of woo for people who like to pontificate in front of groups and it's those people who are most attracted to it, ie those who most love hearing themselves speak and being praised for it. It is meant to appeal to the most neurotic of people. So of course this appeals to Ali, because she attaches herself to those individuals as a rule, and thus creates the authority in which she apparently craves. She throws these things out there because she's looking to hook herself a susceptible audience.

Like any fundamentalist religion, the point of professing a caste system or placing people in self-confining boxes that involve some kind of scoring system, is funny enough to take advantage of those sore points since the system claims it will address. It can't really as it only just aims to to divide population(s) by design, which further perpetuates the narrative… it's not meant to solve problems, just find more of them... By suggesting to oneself for example that that person is already a slave to something, for example, that person has made themselves much easier to emotionally farm, thus easier to be gamed by that system. It's actually very easy to craft a victim narrative from basically anything... much harder to resolve any real issues and tackle deep rooted issues in ourselves objectively (much less identify things objectively externally and fix them), regardless of apparent narratives... anyone who says there's a system that gains every person who follows that thinking unique insight into the actual cogs and workings of all individuals on the planet is running a scam.

Yes.

[BBXX]

I hope this post doesn't offend anyone but I do think people are getting a bit confused between societal privilege and what Ali was talking about which is societal power and I do think that the power (i.e: the influence) a person holds is far more closely measured by your sex than any other aspect of your upbringing or culture and as a result, I do think sexuality also has an influence in this.

For example, I am a middle class white gay man. In the totem pole of societal privilege I would have certain privileges that I benefit from because I am both a man and white. However, in the totem pole of societal power, I believe I would be ranked below straight men of all classes, nationalities and creeds because society, in general, sees gay men as 'lesser men' and therefore they hold 'less power', despite my whiteness and despite my social class that benefit me in other ways outside of influence. I think society sees gay men the same way they see straight women, and I think society sees gay women as even less powerful and I think that's what Ali would getting at.

Of course people may disagree with my assessment too and I'd be open to being told otherwise because I am sure people have many different experiences that clash with what I have said and so I'd be open to hearing them, as I am calling it from a not-particularly-sheltered-but-still-probably-quite-naive viewpoint.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I hope this post doesn't offend anyone but I do think people are getting a bit confused between societal privilege and what Ali was talking about which is societal power and I do think that the power (i.e: the influence) a person holds is far more closely measured by your sex than any other aspect of your upbringing or culture

For example, I am a middle class white gay man. In the totem pole of societal privilege I would have certain privileges that I benefit from because I am both a man and white.

I see zero evidence of this in 2024 Britain. Can you give examples where white men have more power or influence or privilege in UK society? I mean, the last Tory leader was an Indian man, and the next seems likely to be a black woman.

Originally Posted by BBXX

However, in the totem pole of societal power, I believe I would be ranked below straight men of all classes, nationalities and creeds because society, in general, sees gay men as 'lesser men'

Again, I see zero evidence of this. Indeed, I would say gay men are elevated above straight men in general, especially in the UK media/ Arts (which they more or less run). This is not the world of Quentin Crisp anymore and people need to stop pretending it is.

The truth is that there is no 'totem pole'. A man is not held back by his sexual preference at all in 2024. In fact, in the UK no immutable characteristic is a barrier. I feel people invent the idea that there is out of some kind of need for victimhood. The only thing that matters in the UK is wealth... The wealth to enable opportunity, good connections, and the wealth to buy a good education and nice accent for your children. When you have those nothing else matters.

But what Ali was saying in the house there is a hierarchy of power. She wasn't talking about wider society. She was stating that the lads were above her in that house and that she was on the bottom of a pyramid of patriarchy as the 'plucky freedom fighter', even as she sits on the HoH bed.

I am asking for someone that agrees with her on that to say why that's true and show me where the 3 lads have any more power than her and her little gang.