[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I think men in this country and others are being watered down

Men walking round with babies strapped to them is an example

What a weird statement

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Redway

He just … I dunno. I dunno. There’s a certain campness (not a loud, blatantly exaggerated one, obviously) in how he talks and acts half the time. It’s not necessarily bursting out of him in open swathes but it’s there. He could be like that and straight, of course, but to me he just seems like he’s not quite straight, but only half the time. There’s a tendency to tonal camp in the way he talks (and not just because of his lisp) but it happens only occasionally rather than all the time.

…it’s really that thing of speculating where speculating wasn’t required though, for me…I mean, whatever his sexuality anyway, doesn’t and wouldn’t change any interactions in the house or enlighten us about anything that is relevant…Marcello is ‘too masculine’…Segun is not quite enough masculine…it’s just too much and too unnecessary and too irrelevant , is my thought…

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s really that thing of speculating where speculating wasn’t required though, for me…I mean, whatever his sexuality anyway, doesn’t and wouldn’t change any interactions in the house or enlighten us about anything that is relevant…Marcello is ‘too masculine’…Segun is not quite enough masculine…it’s just too much and too unnecessary and too irrelevant , is my thought…

But not everyone thinks or sees things the same way and questions about housemates and their interactions and intentions is what makes this forum continue to be active

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Redway

He just … I dunno. I dunno. There’s a certain campness (not a loud, blatantly exaggerated one, obviously) in how he talks and acts half the time. It’s not necessarily bursting out of him in open swathes but it’s there. He could be like that and straight, of course, but to me he just seems like he’s not quite straight, but only half the time. There’s a tendency to tonal camp in the way he talks (and not just because of his lisp) but it happens only occasionally rather than all the time.

…gosh, that’s an awful lot of pressure and ‘requirement’ to put on someone, Redway…to have that box tick of who they are…’ok, you don’t meet all of the requirements of you, so we’re going to put you on the pending pile for the moment’…I mean, I’m not entirely serious in that wording I know…but what it’s essentially saying is…that more masculinity is required please otherwise we won’t accept your sexuality…(…and what relevance is it whether anyone does or not…)…but then, oh Marcello…that’s too much masculinity…so now you’re on the toxic pile…honestly, it’s is society not judgemental enough without this type of stereotyping and pondering who someone would be attracted to…

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…gosh, that’s an awful lot of pressure and ‘requirement’ to put on someone, Redway…to have that box tick of who they are…’ok, you don’t meet all of the requirements of you, so we’re going to put you on the pending pile for the moment’…I mean, I’m not entirely serious in that wording I know…but what it’s essentially saying is…that more masculinity is required please otherwise we won’t accept your sexuality…(…and what relevance is it whether anyone does or not…)…but then, oh Marcello…that’s too much masculinity…so now you’re on the toxic pile…honestly, it’s is society not judgemental enough without this type of stereotyping and pondering who someone would be attracted to…

The uncomfortable truth is that people are always going to stereotype.

I don't think that Redway is asking this in a malicious way either, I just think that he has a hunch on Segun's sexuality, and he is curious to know if other people feel the same.

I personally don't see the issue with that, but I understand if anyone feels differently.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The uncomfortable truth is that people are always going to stereotype.

I don't think that Redway is asking this in a malicious way either, I just think that he has a hunch on Segun's sexuality, and he is curious to know if other people feel the same.

I personally don't see the issue with that, but I understand if anyone feels differently.

…yeah I completely understand and agree that there is no malicious in Redway…that isn’t a suggestion at all…but when someone has indicated their sexuality specifically, which Segun has…it’s not something we generally would question either in terms of having a ‘hunch’….oh, you got that wrong, Segun…you’re not heterosexual, actually…do you see…?…

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah I completely understand and agree that there is no malicious in Redway…that isn’t a suggestion at all…but when someone has indicated their sexuality specifically, which Segun has…it’s not something we generally would question either in terms of having a ‘hunch’….oh, you got that wrong, Segun…you’re not heterosexual, actually…do you see…?…

I get what you're saying, and personally I wouldn't do it.

But I feel like this thread for Segun is more respectful in comparison to some people keep saying that Ali fancies Marcello or Khaled.

[bots]

the fact that he is a religious zealot is a far bigger red flag to me

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

the fact that he is a religious zealot is a far bigger red flag to me

…that doesn’t really raise any flags for me, I have to say…I know many pastors and very religious people of many faiths and they’re all completely different people whose religious faith/belief doesn’t impact their character etc in any negative way…

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by bots

the fact that he is a religious zealot is a far bigger red flag to me

how on earth is he a zealot, hes probably the most tolerant person in the house and you dont see him forcing his religion on anyone.

But yeah, let's all laugh at him for being religious.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Beso

how on earth is he a zealot, hes probably the most tolerant person in the house and you dont see him forcing his religion on anyone.

But yeah, let's all laugh at him for being religious.

of course he is a zealot, that's why he always has that unnatural smile on his face all the time

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by bots

of course he is a zealot, that's why he always has that unnatural smile on his face all the time

I've looked up the meaning of religious zealot and he bares no traits that are associated with it

[bots]

Originally Posted by Beso

I've looked up the meaning of religious zealot and he bares no traits that are associated with it

well i think he does

[Redway]

Originally Posted by bots

the fact that he is a religious zealot is a far bigger red flag to me

Obviously not that much if he’s celebrating Halloween.

Again and again, I know and I know that gay and bisexual men come in all different shapes, sizes and can be from any walk of life, be-they your average builder Joe, your Atlanta rapper on the down-low, your lecturer, your scally lads and your calculating businessmen. Whoever. Whatever. The only difference between them and other blokes is the fact that they like other blokes sexually. You absolutely can’t always (or even most of the time, most-probably) tell someone’s sexuality in how they behave but certain signs are suggestive of being on the LGBT spectrum and I do see a bir of that with Shegz. I’m not boxing him into a pigeon-hole by any means but it’s just the way he talks and his mannerisms sometimes. There’s a bit of camp affectation to it sometimes. That’s all where I’m coming from. I’m not making generalisations. I’m just pointing out what I occasionally observe in Shegun, and I mustn’t be the only one. It’s not even about masculinity (which to an extent is a social construct and one that varies in certain fundamental ways over time). I just find that camp lisping very, very suggestive. It doesn’t sound like just speech-impediment lisping. Not to me.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Redway

Obviously not that much if he’s celebrating Halloween.

Again and again, I know and I know that gay and bisexual men come in all different shapes, sizes and can be from any walk of life, be-they your average builder Joe, your Atlanta rapper on the down-low, your lecturer, your scally lads and your calculating businessmen. Whoever. Whatever. The only difference between them and other blokes is the fact that they like other blokes sexually. You absolutely can’t always (or even most of the time, most-probably) tell someone’s sexuality in how they behave but certain signs are suggestive of being on the LGBT spectrum and I do see a bir of that with Shegz. I’m not boxing him into a pigeon-hole by any means but it’s just the way he talks and his mannerisms sometimes. There’s a bit of camp affectation to it sometimes. That’s all where I’m coming from. I’m not making generalisations. I’m just pointing out what I occasionally observe in Shegun, and I mustn’t be the only one. It’s not even about masculinity (which to an extent is a social construct and one that varies in certain fundamental ways over time). I just find that camp lisping very, very suggestive. It doesn’t sound like just speech-impediment lisping. Not to me.

How gay did you rate chris eubank and Mike Tyson?

[thesheriff443]

I think Sarah let herself down by saying all men have to do is pump pump squirt

You can be a sperm donor or you can be a real man and a father to your children

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I think Sarah let herself down by saying all men have to do is pump pump squirt

You can be a sperm donor or you can be a real man and a father to your children

In her defence they were just talking about what it takes to give life, rather than raising a child.

[Mystic Mock]

He is probably metrosexual or whatever it was that David Beckham called himself back in the day.

[UserSince2005]

defo gay, already called it how it is in another thread. i have the best gaydar, its never wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Ray.]

A good opening to a Bond movie would be a suicide bomber who's got a baby doll strapped to his chest, that's secretly filled with explosives.

He pulls the dummy out of its mouth and BAM - the whole of Savile Row is ablaze.

[smudgie]

I see Segun as a very kind and amicable young man.
Mild mannered and thoughtful.
Not sure if I would call him camp.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I see Segun as a very kind and amicable young man.
Mild mannered and thoughtful.
Not sure if I would call him camp.

Yeah, I don't see it either.

[Black Dagger]

I don’t care for him enough either way to care where he puts his piece

[Liam-]

Camp doesn’t mean gay