[red]

I predict they'll win... And I haven't even heard their song , EV is all about the gimmicks and jedward are just that
Perfect.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by red

I predict they'll win... And I haven't even heard their song , EV is all about the gimmicks and jedward are just that
Perfect.

I don't think it is about gimmicks actually.

so I predict they won't win.

I can barely be bothered to say how awful it is. No surprise whatsoever that their vocals are minimilised to the nth degree.

[Novo]

Ireland won't win because they don't have the backing of enough countries, they will get a few 4 or 5's here and there though

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Novo

Ireland won't win because they don't have the backing of enough countries, they will get a few 4 or 5's here and there though

Actually in a more open contest, those kind of votes 5 to 8s could be enough to win if it was near across the board. That of course is 'if' the voting in Eurovision this year will be the same as last year.

[Kerry]

It's been a political contest for years now. I just watch for Terry (past) and now Grahams remarks

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

It's been a political contest for years now. I just watch for Terry (past) and now Grahams remarks

This.

It was one of the highlights of the show when I used to watch it when Terry Wogan was presenting - with his wicked one liners and pot shots at which country would vote for which, with his not so 'tongue in cheek' acknowledgement that allies were sooking up each others arses to keep in each others good books. Even if the songs were the worst thing ever.....

As I said earlier: the contest is a joke. Anyone taking it seriously need their heads looked at.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

This.

...

As I said earlier: the contest is a joke. Anyone taking it seriously need their heads looked at.

I agree Pyramid, it is more of a joke but a highly prestigious one for International recognition. I actually find I like the diversity of the other countries and the songs they put in,its a highly enjoyable joke but that's only my opinion.

I don't take it seriously,but enjoy it enormously.as do all my student friends who watch it avidly too. It still gets a massive audience watching it and voting in it too.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Actually in a more open contest, those kind of votes 5 to 8s could be enough to win if it was near across the board. That of course is 'if' the voting in Eurovision this year will be the same as last year.

But it hasn't been an open contest for years.. so it's not going to be enough, there is always a few countries that create a massive lead over the rest and pick up 10 & 12 points from neighbouring countries

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Novo

But it hasn't been an open contest for years.. so it's not going to be enough, there is always a few countries that create a massive lead over the rest and pick up 10 & 12 points from neighbouring countries

You are absolutely right, but Ireland is not as hated like the UK is across the newer countries who vote highly for each other,if the song is liked and you have 2 full of life characters like Jedward then as with Norway one year who always got near no points every year, then the votes can swing their way.

I accept its a political contest now but Ireland is seen as a better country than the UK.

To the comment by Stu that the whole of Ireland didn't vote for Jedward to be the representing act for the country,that's also true , but of all the choices to represent Ireland in the contest, they were the ones chosen by public vote, so maybe you are right that the whole country may not love Jedward but they certainly don't appear to dislike them much either.Certainly not the way you do anyway.

I think they are well suited to Eurovision, I think Louis also knows full well, this can really establish them worldwide,they are likely to at some point in the future become like an Ant and Dec, love them or hate them,they are here to stay, the haters of them can huff and puff all they like until they go red in the face but Louis is going to keep these lads well in the media and develop a massive career for them on TV,likely even in the States too.

[Stu]

Yes, they do dislike them much. Take the Crazy Frog analogy. It was a number one song yet most people disliked it. Hated it. Simple. I don't know how else to explain this to you.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yes, they do dislike them much. Take the Crazy Frog analogy. It was a number one song yet most people disliked it. Hated it. Simple. I don't know how else to explain this to you.

I think its best that you and I just agree to diagree on this one.
I know what my friends,their friends and my family all across Ireland think of Jedward and its nothing like the massive dislike you are stating.

Neither of us know the whole populations thoughts, but it seems when it has the chance, Ireland always supports Jedwards ventures, buys their records and gave them a number one album. Now of those who did vote more wanted Jedward to represent their country in Eurovision. So they can't be that disliked there.

I will leave it at that and agree to disagree with you.All the best to you anyway.

[Stu]

No, neither of us know the whole populations thoughts but I have the advantage of living here. Ireland doesn't 'support Jedward ventures'. The people who buy Jedward products do. Again I point you to the Crazy Frog analogy. Your line of logic here is baffling. It seems to be just the Irish who support IRA attacks too. Well, a few of us do. We have as many hardcore republicans as we do Jedward fans I imagine. It doesn't mean the entire nation has a fascination with driving boats armed with plastic explosives into the river Thames for christ sake.

By the way you should check out the sales figures for Irish album charts. It really doesn't take a lot to get to number one.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Stu

No, neither of us know the whole populations thoughts but I have the advantage of living here. Ireland doesn't 'support Jedward ventures'. The people who buy Jedward products do. Again I point you to the Crazy Frog analogy. Your line of logic here is baffling. It seems to be just the Irish who support IRA attacks too. Well, a few of us do. We have as many hardcore republicans as we do Jedward fans I imagine. It doesn't mean the entire nation has a fascination with driving boats armed with plastic explosives into the river Thames for christ sake.

By the way you should check out the sales figures for Irish album charts. It really doesn't take a lot to get to number one.

I have said I think it best we agree to diagree on Jedward in the Eurovision song contest.

Your post above has me totally baffled and I have no intention of responding to the contents of it.

I have enjoyed mosy of our banter on theis and wish you well, all best wishes,have a good remainder of the weekend.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have said I think it best we agree to diagree on Jedward in the Eurovision song contest.

Your post above has me totally baffled and I have no intention of responding to the contents of it.

I have enjoyed mosy of our banter on theis and wish you well, all best wishes,have a good remainder of the weekend.

Yes you said it was best to agree to disagree then continued on arguing, which is why I responded.

If you want to agree to disagree you don't need my permission. Just stop replying to my posts.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yes you said it was best to agree to disagree then continued on arguing, which is why I responded.

If you want to agree to disagree you don't need my permission. Just stop replying to my posts.

And you to mine also please,

[Stu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

And you to mine also please,

That's for me to decide isin't it? And I'm having too much fun now that it's apparent that you have some weird obsession with having the last post.

[joeysteele]

Good heavens,MTVN thank you. How on earth did I forget to mention ABBA one of the biggest groups ever that may never have broken through but for Eurovision.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Good heavens,MTVN thank you. How on earth did I forget to mention ABBA one of the biggest groups ever that may never have broken through but for Eurovision.

Possibly because you weren't even born then to be aware of the difference between in the show way back in the 70's, and how it has changed over the decades.....just a thought!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Possibly because you weren't even born then to be aware of the difference between in the show way back in the 70's, and how it has changed over the decades.....just a thought!

I accept your point to be fair to you, maybe 7 to 8 years was too much a small time to give, so I accept that I was over zealous to Eurovision on that point and concede you make a better point on that time scale than I did, however you also did say the Eurovision had 'never' in its life been prestigious.


Time was until the mid 90s at least that the winning song of Eurovision near always charted here in the UK and in other countries,often very highly too which gave that act a introduction and success in many countries that may otherwise likely not have happened for them.

It has a history and as MTVN pointed ABBA, admittedly from 1974,Waterloo I am told was considered a joke entry but what it led to was one of the best and most successful groups of the 70s and 80s, Worldwide.

I love the whole show that is Eurovision,its not all bad and its not all good and no matter the result its good in my opinion to have so many nations of the World involved that one night in a contest.
Loved or hated,its ran since the mid 1950s and seems to in no way be running out of steam yet.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I accept your point to be fair to you, maybe 7 to 8 years was too much a small time to give, so I accept that I was over zealous to Eurovision on that point and concede you make a better point on that time scale than I did, however you also did say the Eurovision had 'never' in its life been prestigious.


Time was until the mid 90s at least that the winning song of Eurovision near always charted here in the UK and in other countries,often very highly too which gave that act a introduction and success in many countries that may otherwise likely not have happened for them.

It has a history and as MTVN pointed ABBA, admittedly from 1974,Waterloo I am told was considered a joke entry but what it led to was one of the best and most successful groups of the 70s and 80s, Worldwide.

I love the whole show that is Eurovision,its not all bad and its not all good and no matter the result its good in my opinion to have so many nations of the World involved that one night in a contest.
Loved or hated,its ran since the mid 1950s and seems to in no way be running out of steam yet.

Which has been my point all along. It never was a competition that was ever taken too seriously. Entertaining, but not to be taken seriously.

Kudos to Abba and some of the other acts that came off the back of it - many of them from the UK (ie: Cliff Richard, Lulu, Olivia Newton John -ok an aussie -, Black Lace and many others) but as I say, I seriously couldn't give it the International Prestige that you placed upon it.

[Stu]

Looks like we are cracking open a few Eurovision closets eh? Come on out folks.

It is a circus of forgettable euro-pap and high camp, a musical black hole of unfathomable depth and a huge waste of time, money and effort in a celebration of utterly meaningless mediocrity.

Though the gheys seem to love it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Stu

Looks like we are cracking open a few Eurovision closets eh? Come on out folks.

It is a circus of forgettable euro-pap and high camp, a musical black hole of unfathomable depth and a huge waste of time, money and effort in a celebration of utterly meaningless mediocrity.

Though the gheys seem to love it.

It is actually a guilty pleasure of mine Sure it's a joke but you just have to accept it for what it is, I'm not going to pretend it epitomises musical talent but it does make for some light-hearted, entertaining viewing

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It is actually a guilty pleasure of mine Sure it's a joke but you just have to accept it for what it is, I'm not going to pretend it epitomises musical talent but it does make for some light-hearted, entertaining viewing

Of course it's shoite, but that's the fun of it. If you take it with a lorry load of salt and listen to the BBC commentary on the voting, it's great craic altogether. Ever since Johnny Logan I've tried to catch it every year. It's become a routine in our house that himself beats a hasty retreat to the pub and I crack open a bottle and laugh my ass off for a couple of hours. Everyone needs a good dose of camp inanity every now and again. It's good for the soul.

[Stu]

Nothing beats Marty Wheelan on RTE. I love hearing him get progressively more pissed off at eastern europe as the voting goes along.

[joeysteele]

I thought they were rather funny jibing Jason on Dancing on Ice, it also got them interviewed on the programme, again, wherever they are they are not ignored by the hierarchy there.

They were also funny in the BB house when they were in it however, it is Eurovision they have been chosen to currently represent their country,Ireland in and I hope they do well in it, remembering of course that they have to get throught the semi-final stage first.

I feel sure they will and I hope go on to win the whole thing this year.Good luck to them.