[starry]

I understand why he thought he should receive a letter as well, and Frankie's ridiculous generalisation that mothers are always closer to their children than fathers annoyed me a lot (hate ignorant stereotyped opinions like that).

However I still don't like Ryan. Away from this issue and in general there is a narrow self-importance to him and he certainly plays up to what he thinks the audience wants him to say.

[rocket]

Originally Posted by the truth

he has kids 11000 miles away thats heartbreaking....frankie saying a mothers love is greater than a fathers was utter bull and ryan said so....ryan is 100% right...clare rylan and the other lady are selfish

Excuse me...but how can you say Rylan is selfish,,,HE hasn't had his letter either, neither has Frankie.. They both saw where Ryan was coming from and sympathised with him...
It was Clare, Trisha and Razor that were selfish ....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by starry

I understand why he thought he should receive a letter as well, and Frankie's ridiculous generalisation that mothers are always closer to their children than fathers annoyed me a lot (hate ignorant stereotyped opinions like that).

However I still don't like Ryan. Away from this issue and in general there is a narrow self-importance to him and he certainly plays up to what he thinks the audience wants him to say.

I 100% agree it makes me sick to my stomach to see all fathers generalized against like that, its a massive problem in british society and causes enormous damage to fathers, children and families...frankie fell way down in my estimations he sounded like a right prat just desperate to say anything that made him look good on camera, instead he sounded fake and fickle....ryan said the right things and spoke from the heart.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by rocket

Excuse me...but how can you say Rylan is selfish,,,HE hasn't had his letter either, neither has Frankie.. They both saw where Ryan was coming from and sympathised with him...
It was Clare, Trisha and Razor that were selfish ....

sorry i meant razor....but rylan didnt defend this selfishness either

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

I 100% agree it makes me sick to my stomach to see all fathers generalized against like that, its a massive problem in british society and causes enormous damage to fathers, children and families...frankie fell way down in my estimations he sounded like a right prat just desperate to say anything that made him look good on camera, instead he sounded fake and fickle....ryan said the right things and spoke from the heart.

I agree, my husband is an amazing father and he loves his children just as much as I do. I think it's horrible to belittle fathers like that

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by Josy

He's been my favourite from the start, just a genuine guy who says what he feels and I don't know why other's think he should go tbh, he's been a team player and gave his all in every task right from the start, and he seems to be up for a laugh, I did agree with him about the letters too it wasn't fair that they all gave up theirs because Claire never got hers then had to sit and listen to the others being read out in front of them, it must have been difficult.

I agree with all of the above (except he was one of my favourites rather than THE fave). Plus, when he wants to be, he's a much better game player than Spencer. W/o sacrificing his humanity.

[flamingGalah!]

Yep, Ryan had every right to feel upset.Why is it more important that the women get their letters from home?? Claire lives about 5 minutes away from Borehamwood, she will see her other half & kids as soon as she leaves the house. Ryan's wife & kids are thousands of miles away & he wont see them for about a week after BB ends! I have no doubt that if he survives tonights eviction BB will give him & the others their letters, but the principle he made was very right & I'm glad he stuck to his guns & told them how he felt...

[Indy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Actually having just seen him on BOTS carrying it through to the next day and now crying in the bathroom, I think he is acting, playing on the sympathy vote. He's pulling out all the stops to win.

He didn't carry it on to the next day. Yesterday, between the morning wake up and the time he had the conversation with Claire, BB called him into the DR on two separate occasions to make him rehash what it was like not to get his letter while the girls got theirs. That's BB carrying it on to the next day. Unlike speidi, he's not a robot who can just deactivate the emotion chip when it suits him, he's an actual human.

And TBF, I have absolutely zero doubt that the day of the initial letter task, BB was probably calling Claire into the DR every chance they had to make her talk about her kids so she'd be as emotional as possible by the time they announced the task.

It's BB's job to be cruel, and while they generally suck at it, when they do manage to pull it off, it's not really fair to blame their manipulations on the HM's, any more than it would be fair to blame the HM's when BB decides to turn off hot water when one person breaks a rule but take away nominating rights from another HM who breaks the same rule.

[mizzy25]

razor repeatadly (sp) asked ryan if it was ok and ryan even offered to read razors letter out. if ryan wanted his letter so much he shud have took it the other night like speidi did.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by mizzy25

razor repeatadly (sp) asked ryan if it was ok and ryan even offered to read razors letter out. if ryan wanted his letter so much he shud have took it the other night like speidi did.

Exactly Mizzy.