[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know, there's a massive difference between a 14 year old and a 17 year old imo, 3 years is alot more than 3 years at that age If you were my daughter (and I have a 14 year old daughter atm) I would probably kill that boy :/

Awww thanks Niamh. (I did tell my mum and dad but they said i was stupid for getting drunk.)

You just brought tears to my eyes......

(Your motherly instinct touched my heart)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Awww thanks Niamh. (I did tell my mum and dad but they said i was stupid for getting drunk.)

You just brought tears to my eyes......

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

[Livia]

How long do we think someone should go on serving their sentence once they've served their jail sentence?

I don't have any problems with him playing. Most people know footballers are, in the main, uneducated, unrefined lads who are good at sport. They're not diplomats... and anyone who's ever been to a football match will know that it's the last place you should be taking kids to give them a moral compass.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Livia

How long do we think someone should go on serving their sentence once they've served their jail sentence?

I don't have any problems with him playing. Most people know footballers are, in the main, uneducated, unrefined lads who are good at sport. They're not diplomats... and anyone who's ever been to a football match will know that it's the last place you should be taking kids to give them a moral compass.

I agree with you Livia.

He's served his time, he's the one who's going to have to live with that "shadow" over himself for the rest of his life.

Let him play football.

[lime]

No he should never be allowed play for a premership club or any club again because he is a a convictetd rapist...jugded not only by a jury but also by a panel of judges who have far more info than whe have........

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lime

No he should never be allowed play for a premership club or any club again because he is a a convictetd rapist...jugded not only by a jury but also by a panel of judges who have far more info than whe have........

And he was sentenced to serve a jail term, which he served. And now he's out. You can't continue to make him serve any kind of sentence once he's done his time, it's a ridiculous concept. If you're going to say that rapists are damned for all time, even after serving their sentence, then you're going to have to say that anyone who commits any kind of crime should still be punished even after they complete their sentence.

The information available to the judge and jury is of no relevance here as his sentence is complete and he is free to continue his life.

[Z]

I just think the context of this needs to be taken into account too - he didn't violently beat her or stalk her and rape her in an alley; they were two drunk people who hooked up and she said she didn't consent so he was convicted of rape. He's not a violent offender or a likely repeat offender; he's served his sentence and his crime doesn't affect his ability to do his job. Let him play.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Livia

And he was sentenced to serve a jail term, which he served. And now he's out. You can't continue to make him serve any kind of sentence once he's done his time, it's a ridiculous concept. If you're going to say that rapists are damned for all time, even after serving their sentence, then you're going to have to say that anyone who commits any kind of crime should still be punished even after they complete their sentence.

The information available to the judge and jury is of no relevance here as his sentence is complete and he is free to continue his life.

I am not saying that this conviced rapist should be able to have a job... what i am saying is that he sould not be in a postion were what he did is considered ok to do this

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lime

I am not saying that this conviced rapist should be able to have a job... what i am saying is that he sould not be in a postion were what he did is considered ok to do this

I don't think anyone would ever think it's okay, would they? It's a horrible crime, and despite him still upholding that he was innocent, he was convicted, so that's that. For the rest of his life, anywhere he goes, he will always be known as a convicted rapist. And frankly, if I was in his position no way would I want to walk out onto a pitch and face the chants and hate from opposing fans which will undoubtedly be relentless.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Z

I just think the context of this needs to be taken into account too - he didn't violently beat her or stalk her and rape her in an alley; they were two drunk people who hooked up and she said she didn't consent so he was convicted of rape. He's not a violent offender or a likely repeat offender; he's served his sentence and his crime doesn't affect his ability to do his job. Let him play.

Zee <3 xx

I agree completely... but you know that's not a particularly well-received opinion, Judy Finnegan will tell you that!

[lime]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think anyone would ever think it's okay, would they? It's a horrible crime, and despite him still upholding that he was innocent, he was convicted, so that's that. For the rest of his life, anywhere he goes, he will always be known as a convicted rapist. And frankly, if I was in his position no way would I want to walk out onto a pitch and face the chants and hate from opposing fans which will undoubtedly be relentless.

for the rest of his life....yes he will be consirered a rapist ....that is what he is...in am sout african ...so trust me ..i know what rape is

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lime

for the rest of his life....yes he will be consirered a rapist ....that is what he is...in am sout african ...so trust me ..i know what rape is

No country has the monopoly on rape, it's sadly a world-wide occurrence.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

of course he should be allowed to play football, what an absurd question

It sparks a nationwide moral debate, hardly an absurd question. Then again coming from someone like you I'm not surprised.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Livia

No country has the monopoly on rape, it's sadly a world-wide occurrence.

you are dead right.....no country has the monoply on rape.....but unfortutaly it is in SA quite common ...sometimes people are raped just because they are gay...I have raped because i was white....so whilst I have no prob with you livia I think that you can only have an opinion on rape once you have being raped....but I do enjoy your posts

[lime]

Originally Posted by lime

you are dead right.....no country has the monoply on rape.....but unfortutaly it is in SA quite common ...sometimes people are raped just because they are gay...I have raped because i was white....so whilst I have no prob with you livia I think that you can only have an opinion on rape once you have being raped....but I do enjoy your posts

Oh dear please excucse my engliish...its not my first lanuage

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lime

you are dead right.....no country has the monoply on rape.....but unfortutaly it is in SA quite common ...sometimes people are raped just because they are gay...I have raped because i was white....so whilst I have no prob with you livia I think that you can only have an opinion on rape once you have being raped....but I do enjoy your posts

You can only have an opinion on rape once you've been raped? Are you serious? I have no problem with you either, and not to belittle your horrible experience, for which you have my sympathy, everyone is entitled for form an opinion. I've spent some time in the Middle East this year where rape is used as a weapon of war. I have an opinion on that too... a very strong opinion. The main one being that it bears no resemblance to getting pissed and going back to a footballer's room.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lime

you are dead right.....no country has the monoply on rape.....but unfortutaly it is in SA quite common ...sometimes people are raped just because they are gay...I have raped because i was white....so whilst I have no prob with you livia I think that you can only have an opinion on rape once you have being raped....but I do enjoy your posts

Oh I'm so sorry to hear that Lime I agree some countries are worse then others, just look at India as another example

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lime

Oh dear please excucse my engliish...its not my first lanuage

Hey, you're doing much better than some people who do have English as a first language!

[lime]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hey, you're doing much better than some people who do have English as a first language!

had to take a moment and thank you both Livia and niamh....Livia I am not saying you can not have an opinion on rape...its just that when it has happened to you your opininion whill prob be diffferennt.......again I love your posts

[Kizzy]

No means no, and if the person you wish to have sex with happens to be asleep/passed out you wait and ask when they are lucid... If you don't it's rape.

I can't believe I'm having to explain that.

Rape has risen by 29% in the last year, shocking and saddening statistic.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lime

had to take a moment and thank you both Livia and niamh....Livia I am not saying you can not have an opinion on rape...its just that when it has happened to you your opininion whill prob be diffferennt.......again I love your posts

Yes, I understand that. Your opinion is bound to be different when you've gone through something like that. Love your posts too.

[arista]

Next Week he is going to give TV News and Radio
a "Profound Statement"


it has been reported today
he left in fast grey 4 by 4
before daylight

"Clever"

[arista]

[Prisoner of fear: How victim of soccer rapist Ched Evans was forced
to change her name and move home after online abuse... while He remains
sickeningly remorseless and even held a party after being freed from jail
Victim has been moved away from friends and family under new identity
Move came after she was identified online and abused by Evans' supporters
Campaign website for Evans funded by millionaire father of his girlfriend
Long-term partner Natasha Massey, 25, is standing by disgraced sportsman
Ched Evans has been offered £500,000 contract with Sheffield United]


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[lostalex]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I know!

But it was a bad decision on both parts, so i feel non of us should be blamed/accused and i think this is where legally things get a bit sticky.

There is a definition of what rape is and this definition should be stuck to, however with date rape drugs being used it makes things even more difficult as there is intent behind date rape, if it can be proven that date rape drugs were used by an offender to gain sex then this is rape, the society in which we live in is ever changing and maybe there should be an overhaul regarding laws in this area.

As you know i have young teenagers myself and i've already educated them and will continue to educate them on the danger of alcohol and drugs.

It's not a bad decision on both parts. Getting drunk is only hurting yourself. A Man raping you was him attacking and hurting someone else. How do you not understand the difference?

You sound like one of those battered women that says "i shouldn't have made him angry" after her husband punches her face in. WAKE UP!