[Gstar]

Still think that Idris should be bond

[Niamh.]

The whole he's not English enough is bull**** when they've already had a Scottish and Irish actor play him

[JoshBB]

first of all, i have never heard of him.

second of all, it surely should be based on his acting skills and suitibility to the role and race should not come into that? plus he was born english so surely his "background" would be hackney as specified on wikipedia.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

first of all, i have never heard of him.

second of all, it surely should be based on his acting skills and suitibility to the role and race should not come into that? plus he was born english so surely his "background" would be hackney as specified on wikipedia.

he played James Bond in the 80s

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

first of all, i have never heard of him.

second of all, it surely should be based on his acting skills and suitibility to the role and race should not come into that? plus he was born english so surely his "background" would be hackney as specified on wikipedia.

Of course you haven't heard of him. You're fourteen.

[Northern Monkey]

Hmm.With modern Bond films i honestly don't think the ethnicity of the actor matters.Bond is'nt based on a real person,He is fictional.Obviously a white MLK or White Ali or Black William Wallace would'nt be believable but for Bond i really don't see a problem.

[Tom4784]

Sean Connery and George Lazenby weren't English, the latter wasn't even British. I don't think Nationality or appearance matters too much as long as you can pull off the Bond charm and personality and I think Idris Elba could definitely do that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sean Connery and George Lazenby weren't English, the latter wasn't even British. I don't think Nationality or appearance matters too much as long as you can pull off the Bond charm and personality and I think Idris Elba could definitely do that.

Pierce Brosnan is Irish as well so that 3 non English and 2 non British Bonds

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sean Connery and George Lazenby weren't English, the latter wasn't even British. I don't think Nationality or appearance matters too much as long as you can pull off the Bond charm and personality and I think Idris Elba could definitely do that.

I don't mind who plays James Bond as long as he accurately reflects the character from the Bond novels, ie WASP type.

I don't think a Black African or a Jamaican James Bond was what Ian Fleming had in mind.

Similarly, I dont think David Suchet could have pulled off the Shaft character either.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I don't mind who plays James Bond as long as he accurately reflects the character from the Bond novels, ie WASP type.

I don't think a Black African or a Jamaican James Bond was what Ian Fleming had in mind.

Similarly, I dont think David Suchet could have pulled off the Shaft character either.

Idris Elba is a Londoner so "African" or "Jamaican" isn't relevant.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Idris Elba is a Londoner so "African" or "Jamaican" isn't relevant.

It's relevant to my post.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's relevant to my post.

Which isn't a relevant counter argument.

As already stated, the Bond films of the last 50 years bear a very small resemblance to the actual written Fleming stuff so why should that suddenly become a reason for Elba to not take on the role?

[Kizzy]

I read it but didn't realise it was you in all seriousness.
I wonder who I was speaking to there? No, it wouldn't make my experience better, being able to comment without your provisos would.

[lostalex]

how are they going to explain bond being black? maybe it could work if they explain it in the story, like maybe it's some type of disguise, or dye his skin to go under cover. like in dr. who they have an explanation why the doctor changes so much.

but if they just want us to pretend that it's no big deal that james bond is a totally different race without explaining it at all, that would be retarded.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

how are they going to explain bond being black? maybe it could work if they explain it in the story, like maybe it's some type of disguise, or dye his skin to go under cover.

but if they just want us to pretend that it's no big deal that james bond is a totally different race without explaining it at all, that would be retarded.

It's no different to the fact he went from a dark haired ageing man in the 1960s in the earlier films to a blonde haired 40 something in the 21st century.

Every time a new actor has taken over it's felt more like a reboot.

There is no actual rational continuity between the Bond's. It's all nonsense.

[Z]

Originally Posted by lostalex

how are they going to explain bond being black? maybe it could work if they explain it in the story, like maybe it's some type of disguise, or dye his skin to go under cover. like in dr. who they have an explanation why the doctor changes so much.

but if they just want us to pretend that it's no big deal that james bond is a totally different race without explaining it at all, that would be retarded.

Or they could go with the fan theory that 007 James Bond is in fact an identity assumed by the next agent after the previous 007 James Bond dies in action... don't really see the need to make James Bond a different race, but don't care either way.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Z

Or they could go with the fan theory that 007 James Bond is in fact an identity assumed by the next agent after the previous 007 James Bond dies in action... don't really see the need to make James Bond a different race, but don't care either way.

It doesn't work because in the earlier films, Roger Moore gets revenge on a character for killing his wife in an earlier film (in which he wasn't played by Roger Moore).

However, I guess they could introduce it as the new way of doing things, as "Casino Royale" was a reboot of the franchise, making Daniel Craig the very first version of this "new Bond". They could make it explicitly that this Bond has retired - possibly even with a cameo scene featuring Craig - and now someone else is taking on the 007 title and alias "James Bond".

Would be the best way to have him change race and clear up any problems with future changes too... you could even throw in a female James Bond for a few films...

[MTVN]

^ Exactly, the films are already almost their own entity independent of the books

[Suze]

Bond can be any colour of the rainbow for all I care, as long as he has the Bond charisma/charm about him, which for me Daniel Craig lacks. Worst Bond so far for me.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Suze

Bond can be any colour of the rainbow for all I care, as long as he has the Bond charisma/charm about him, which for me Daniel Craig lacks. Worst Bond so far for me.

finally some sense I agree with every word....I also think theres not enough scots welsh and irish in movies certainly not their accents, Hollywood is obsessed with posh English accents...whether idris is good enough to play bond well? ive no idea ive not seen him much he seems like a cool cat though and a hit with most of the laydees too.
that charisma and charm is what bond needs....craig was an appallingly bad bond, the worst ever.
get the cool suave darkly wry dry humourous sexy swagger back ...scrap the obsession too with cgi , that's not bond and shaking cameras durng fight scenes, what the hecks that all about eh? oh and could we go half an hour without him being lectured by feminists too

[Tom4784]

The books have barely anything to do with the films at this point, the cinematic version of James Bond is far removed from the books, it has to be because of all the reboots and changes that have happened over the years. The cinematic Bond is a constantly changing entity that isn't bound by nationality, age and physical features so why should it be bound by race? James Bond being white isn't an integral part of his character or back story.

[GiRTh]

slim build; a three-inch long, thin vertical scar on his right cheek; blue-grey eyes; a "cruel" mouth; short, black hair, a comma of which falls on his forehead

Is how Fleming himself described Bond so I'd say most of the actors who have played Bond have have fallen short in term of appearance. I dont see any problem what so ever with Idris continuing the trend.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id rather see a female bond

A ravishing blonde slut with torpedo tits, a well turned ankle
And a filthy mouth that would shame a monastry

She also would swing both ways for added love interests

[Nedusa]

To be honest in this instance I am very happy to miss the point....

[Nedusa]

So what is the point of this completely ridiculous thread.... What are we actually discussing ??

Could James bond be played by a black actor

Could James bond be black or Chinese or Indian
Could this happen today in an alternate universe ??

With the greatest respect ......who cares ?? Seriously this is a non thread , surely people have more important things to debate.