[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I dont see why he wouldn't make a great Bond. I dont see why his skin colour has anything to do with the quality of his acting. Idris is one of the finest British actors atm if he isnt considered for the next Bond then I dont see who should be.

It's got nothing to do with his skin colour or acting ability Girth, but all to do with the character and ethnicity of James Bond as he was written and created by Ian Fleming.

I love Idris Elba but for me personally, casting any black actor in the role of Bond is absolute stupidity and 'change for change's sake'.

I detest all those ridiculous 'classical' paintings by early artists which depict Jesus as a Ginger haired white man for the same reason.

Should Keanu Reeves have played 'Shaft'? Or Robert Redford played Virgil Tibbs in 'The Heat of The Night'? How ridiculous would it have been for Daniel Radcliffe to have played Martin Luther King instead of David Oyelowo in 'Selma'?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It's got nothing to do with his skin colour or acting ability Girth, but all to do with the character and ethnicity of James Bond as he was written and created by Ian Fleming.

I love Idris Elba but for me personally, casting any black actor in the role of Bond is absolute stupidity and 'change for change's sake'.

I detest all those ridiculous 'classical' paintings by early artists which depict Jesus as a Ginger haired white man for the same reason.

Should Keanu Reeves have played 'Shaft'? Or Robert Redford played Virgil Tibbs in 'The Heat of The Night'? How ridiculous would it have been for Daniel Radcliffe to have played Martin Luther King instead of David Oyelowo in 'Selma'?

I have no issue wth Keanu Reeves playing Shaft but Redford could never have played Virgil Tibbs cuz there was a racist element to the film. I dont see why a characters ethnicity cant change.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It's got nothing to do with his skin colour or acting ability Girth, but all to do with the character and ethnicity of James Bond as he was written and created by Ian Fleming.

I love Idris Elba but for me personally, casting any black actor in the role of Bond is absolute stupidity and 'change for change's sake'.

I detest all those ridiculous 'classical' paintings by early artists which depict Jesus as a Ginger haired white man for the same reason.

Should Keanu Reeves have played 'Shaft'? Or Robert Redford played Virgil Tibbs in 'The Heat of The Night'? How ridiculous would it have been for Daniel Radcliffe to have played Martin Luther King instead of David Oyelowo in 'Selma'?

Daniel Radcliffe might have made a good Martin Luther King tbh

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Daniel Radcliffe might have made a good Martin Luther King tbh

You are joking?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I detest all those ridiculous 'classical' paintings by early artists which depict Jesus as a Ginger haired white man for the same reason.

Should Keanu Reeves have played 'Shaft'? Or Robert Redford played Virgil Tibbs in 'The Heat of The Night'? How ridiculous would it have been for Daniel Radcliffe to have played Martin Luther King instead of David Oyelowo in 'Selma'?

Surely they're entirely separate issues though? That includes real people and race centred storylines.

Of course a white guy can't play MLK because he was a real person and was black.
The same as a white actor couldn't play Tibbs because as far as I remember, the story relied on him being black?

Whereas Bond is a fictional character in a setting/story that does not rely on him being specifically black or white.

Not to mention the films over the last 50 years have strayed so far from the original source material that "stick to the novel" no longer makes sense as a reason.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Surely they're entirely separate issues though? That includes real people and race centred storylines.

Of course a white guy can't play MLK because he was a real person and was black.
The same as a white actor couldn't play Tibbs because as far as I remember, the story relied on him being black?

Whereas Bond is a fictional character in a setting/story that does not rely on him being specifically black or white.

Not to mention the films over the last 50 years have strayed so far from the original source material that "stick to the novel" no longer makes sense as a reason.

so why not make him an 8 year old japanese girl. it makes no difference to you i guess.

so sick of the hypocrisy, the same people screaming about "appropriation of black culture" are the same people screaming "why can't bond be black???"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so why not make him an 8 year old japanese girl. it makes no difference to you i guess.

so sick of the hypocrisy, the same people screaming about "appropriation of black culture" are the same people screaming "why can't bond be black???"

Nobody's screaming about it. They're simply saying if they wanted to hire Idris Elba there's absolutely no reason why not. Because apart from his skin colour there's next to no difference between him and Daniel Craig.

Your 8 year old Japanese girl comparison is nonsense. Since that would change the character and story completely.

Think logically when trying to put together a counter argument.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Surely they're entirely separate issues though? That includes real people and race centred storylines.

Of course a white guy can't play MLK because he was a real person and was black.
The same as a white actor couldn't play Tibbs because as far as I remember, the story relied on him being black?

Whereas Bond is a fictional character in a setting/story that does not rely on him being specifically black or white.

Not to mention the films over the last 50 years have strayed so far from the original source material that "stick to the novel" no longer makes sense as a reason.

In the TV series Elementary they changed John Watson who originally would have been a white English man to Joan Watson a Chinese-American woman

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In the TV series Elementary they changed John Watson who originally would have been a white English man to Joan Watson a Chinese-American woman