[Kizzy]

I'm struggling with why sexual assault can carry a tougher sentence than rape, is it because only men can rape in law..
Did she get 4 years for the assault and for years for the audacity of posing as a man?

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Livia

Josh, see my post at the top of this page for a definition of 'rape' in English law.

To be fair though if we're going to be pedantic (and I'm going to be ) the OP does state "concept of...", so not necessarily the legal definition of rape but more how you personally interpret it maybe?

[lostalex]

Female on male rape is much more rare, and doesn't include the same level of violence or fear that male on female or male on male rape has. The truth is most men are not physically intimidated by women.

The power balance is just different.

I remember when i was in high school i was hanging out with some female friends, drinking, and i started getting a bunch of questions from one girl who kept telling me how cute i was, and was asking if i'd ever sleep with a woman. and i said no, i'm not attracted to women. then she asked "well what if i got you really drunk?" and i responded "well that would be rape" and she got very offended and her friends got offended and they said I was wrong to say that.

The truth is though, let's say that I as a gay man got pass out drunk and then woke up to a girl sucking my dick, or riding me... would i feel like i was raped? By definition i guess it was rape, but i would not really feel that violated. I think i would just be weirded out by it, but i wouldn't really feel that upset or scared. I definitely wouldn't call the police, and i don;'t think it would cause me any mental distress if it happened.

But if a man raped me, i definitely would feel violated and angry and scared. and i would definitely call the police.

[Lostie!]

Once again, I don't think anyone who hasn't been in the situation has any right to say it's not the same, that just continues to trivialise the experiences of male victims of sexual assault.

Sexual assault is reprehensible in any form, it's not a game of Top Trumps over who was more traumatised.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Once again, I don't think anyone who hasn't been in the situation has any right to say it's not the same, that just continues to trivialise the experiences of male victims of sexual assault.

Sexual assault is reprehensible in any form, it's not a game of Top Trumps over who was more traumatised.

They need to watch the bit in True Blood where Jason gets repeatedly raped by Crystal and the other women, I felt so sorry for him
(yes i'm bringing up true blood in a serious debates thread, and yes i'm not sorry )

[alex_front2]

A support group exists in New York for gay men who have been sexually abused by women...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Once again, I don't think anyone who hasn't been in the situation has any right to say it's not the same, that just continues to trivialise the experiences of male victims of sexual assault.

Sexual assault is reprehensible in any form, it's not a game of Top Trumps over who was more traumatised.

absoloutely

[LemonJam]

kinda off topic but I think there should be more awareness of rape in the gay community, especially considering the rise of hookup apps etc.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

kinda off topic but I think there should be more awareness of rape in the gay community, especially considering the rise of hookup apps etc.

the vast majority of male on male rape is committed by straight men though, which not many people realize. but i agree, rape in the gay community and domestic violence in gay relationships is not talked about much, and especially cops and straight people need to be more aware of it, because they often don't take it seriously. they think of it as just 2 blokes getting into a fight.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

To be fair though if we're going to be pedantic (and I'm going to be ) the OP does state "concept of...", so not necessarily the legal definition of rape but more how you personally interpret it maybe?

The OP asks whether the subject should be taken more seriously. Having a legal definition of rape which does not apply to the scenarios given maybe goes some way to explaining why it isn't taken more seriously. If it's not illegal, it should probably not even be referred to as a "rape" but as a sexual assault.

I love it when you get pedantic Jamie...

[empire]

there is a rise in gangs of rapists that are women, in africa, south america, india, in cities in those part's of the world, men refuse to go out at night, in area's when it is dark, the media in these countries did not want to cause a panic, in case of copycat attacks, in many of the cases, weapons, injecting drugs behind the neck, where the main cause of these men being knocked out,one of my friends went to mexico, and someone told him to drive and not walk about in a part of the city, because men got raped by gangs of women in the dark of night, it shocked him, and he refused to go alone anywhere in that place, after the stories of what happened to these men,

[the truth]

“Nearly two-thirds of the male jail inmates who had been victimized said the staff perpetrator was female (64%).”[15]

Male victims of sexual abuse by females[16] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[17] The case of Cierra Ross'[18] sexual assault of a man in Chicago gained national headlines and Ross was convicted of aggravated criminal sexual abuse and armed robbery with a bail set at $75,000. A similar case includes James Landrith, who was made to penetrate a female acquaintance in a hotel room while incapacitated from drinking, while his rapist cited the fact that she was pregnant to advise him not to struggle, as this might hurt the baby.[

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ex-friend.html

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Livia

The OP asks whether the subject should be taken more seriously. Having a legal definition of rape which does not apply to the scenarios given maybe goes some way to explaining why it isn't taken more seriously. If it's not illegal, it should probably not even be referred to as a "rape" but as a sexual assault.

I love it when you get pedantic Jamie...

You couldn't just let me get away with being a smart arse could you

But yeah, you're right of course. It makes me wonder why we have the term 'rape' actually. Not because of the act itself but just in terms of terminology, instead of using 'sexual assault' for all types of sex crimes.

[lostalex]

can we also agree that getting your dick sucked while you are unconscious is not the same as being ****ed while you are unconscious? penetrative sex is obviously different.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Female on male rape is much more rare, and doesn't include the same level of violence or fear that male on female or male on male rape has. The truth is most men are not physically intimidated by women.

The power balance is just different.

I remember when i was in high school i was hanging out with some female friends, drinking, and i started getting a bunch of questions from one girl who kept telling me how cute i was, and was asking if i'd ever sleep with a woman. and i said no, i'm not attracted to women. then she asked "well what if i got you really drunk?" and i responded "well that would be rape" and she got very offended and her friends got offended and they said I was wrong to say that.

The truth is though, let's say that I as a gay man got pass out drunk and then woke up to a girl sucking my dick, or riding me... would i feel like i was raped? By definition i guess it was rape, but i would not really feel that violated. I think i would just be weirded out by it, but i wouldn't really feel that upset or scared. I definitely wouldn't call the police, and i don;'t think it would cause me any mental distress if it happened.

But if a man raped me, i definitely would feel violated and angry and scared. and i would definitely call the police.

How can you tell how you would feel if a woman raped you if you've never experienced it?

I would imagine that all sexual violations would be traumatic for the victim.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Dollface

They need to watch the bit in True Blood where Jason gets repeatedly raped by Crystal and the other women, I felt so sorry for him
(yes i'm bringing up true blood in a serious debates thread, and yes i'm not sorry )

Don't be sorry Dollface as you've brought up a very good point of hypocrisy in society.

The audience was meant to find what happened to Jason as "funny" and "lighthearted" but if you look at the darker undertones of it and say put Sookie Stackhouse in a scenario where she's tied down and being raped by a group of guys we would've had people complaining to the FCC, a collapse in the ratings, and eventual cancellation.

[lostalex]

men only really care if they are raped by another man, because they are homophobic, or they care if a woman puts something up their ass, again because they are homophobic.

how many men would actually be TRAUMATIZED and DAMAGED if a girl sucked their dick? like no man ever.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

men only really care if they are raped by another man, because they are homophobic, or they care if a woman puts something up their ass, again because they are homophobic.

how many men would actually be TRAUMATIZED and DAMAGED if a girl sucked their dick? like no man ever.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

How can you tell how you would feel if a woman raped you if you've never experienced it?

I would imagine that all sexual violations would be traumatic for the victim.

no, not all sexual "violations" are equal, that is a stupid thing to say.

are you honestly saying to me that a man that has his dick sucked by a woman while he is asleep is the same as a man putting his penis into him and ejactulating into his butt while he is asleep? so don't say all sexual assaults are the same, because it makes no sense and no one believes you. you lose all credibility, and i say that even as a gay man.

there is a difference between a woman molesting a man and a man molesting a woman. even I as a gay man would be more offended by a man molesting me than a woman molesting me. There is a HUGE difference.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

men only really care if they are raped by another man, because they are homophobic, or they care if a woman puts something up their ass, again because they are homophobic.

how many men would actually be TRAUMATIZED and DAMAGED if a girl sucked their dick? like no man ever.

yet another disgusting post packed with attention seeking lies

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lostalex

no, not all sexual "violations" are equal, that is a stupid thing to say.

are you honestly saying to me that a man that has his dick sucked by a woman while he is asleep is the same as a man putting his penis into him and ejactulating into his butt while he is asleep? so don't say all sexual assaults are the same, because it makes no sense and no one believes you. you lose all credibility, and i say that even as a gay man.

there is a difference between a woman molesting a man and a man molesting a woman. even I as a gay man would be more offended by a man molesting me than a woman molesting me. There is a HUGE difference.

When did I say that all sexual violations are equal? I just said that all sexual violations would be traumatic.

[Marsh.]

It's sad when everyone gets judged by someone's low standards.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lostalex

men only really care if they are raped by another man, because they are homophobic, or they care if a woman puts something up their ass, again because they are homophobic.

how many men would actually be TRAUMATIZED and DAMAGED if a girl sucked their dick? like no man ever.

So gay men that get bothered by a man putting his penis into his ass is Homophobic then?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So gay men that get bothered by a man putting his penis into his ass is Homophobic then?

no, i'm just saying because of homophobia they would be much more bothered by it, because they would be worried that other people might think they are gay or see them as less manly if they were raped by a man as opposed to if they were molested or raped by a woman.

[empire]

the problem with the rape law is that it is out of date, and seems to be more of a propaganda for feminists to give women special rights to make them untouchable to the law, inturn they are giving rights to women to do what she wants to that person, that means she has the right to force sex on that person, in anyway, what disturbs me is that in are society, we have one gender sided laws for rape, and that means that the other can do what they like, for females who sexually abuse children, they knew that they would only get a slap on the wrist, or jail term for a year, because the jail term for rape is eight years or more, thats why these women where put down into the sexual assault law, you can thank are male hating politicians for that, its funny because you don't see female judges when it is a woman who is gulty of these crimes, because that female judge is not going to be soft and fall for her fake tears, and its the woman judge who will give her the long years in jail, because her male counterparts are to weak minded, because the person is a woman, who is gulty of her crimes.